[jmr]

its no big deal to me. before i go anywhere i now ask if they have a budget that they are working with. I just started this method 3 days ago and it at least lets me know if they are somewhat cheap or not.

I recently received an email from a woman wanting popcorn removal, knockdown and paint. hI told her it can be up to 2.50sq/ft. her reply back was sh already has a bid for 1.25. my reply was that is low, my minium is at least 1.40 and it only includes x stuff. I told her if she is looking for a the lowest bid i am not the company for her, but if she wants quality at a fair price i will come out. she emailed me back saying she still wants me to come out. so she obviously knows my bid is at least 1.40 on the low side.

It means i at least have a shot at getting the project, plus i have charm and grace. to much debenair for one man. so the rubberband man starts to jam.

i've never asked for a ball park from people. thats a good way to ask though.

 

[Final touch drywall]

Sorry I haven't had the time to update you guys on this.What a mess,:whistling2:but the sad part is the job is going to paint up.
Who needs machines, when you have 6 illegals running hand tools like a bunch of monkeys.
Well, almost 700 boards(all 12's) done in 7 days.Sanded some walls skimed & ready for paint.
Welcome to what we are dealing with here in NY.Hire illegals,pay them 120-150 a day(12)hr days.Don't pay any tax,carry no insurance,& put all the guys out of business that tried to do it legitimately.I'm sure this is going on all over the world.
Now to the good stuff.Amazing what some tape & mud can cover up.
You guys thought the rockers did a bad job @ first,Look @ all the outlets.

 

[Final touch drywall]

Some more

All the dust ,Smooth bumps everywhere.Looks OK in the pictures.

 

[Scottish Drywaller]

Why do you guys fill aroung the sockets/ electrical outlets ?

 

[Final touch drywall]

Why do you guys fill aroung the sockets/ electrical outlets ?

This isn't our work.If my guys f-ed up that many outlets,they would be outta work.
5 over cut outlets in a house of that size is understandable,anything more,its time to find a new profession.

 

[smisner50s]

Why do you guys fill aroung the sockets/ electrical outlets ?

They were probably cut to big or blown out and need needed to be flat taped and coated so there cover plates sit nice and flat.

 

[2buckcanuck]

Sorry I haven't had the time to update you guys on this.What a mess,:whistling2:but the sad part is the job is going to paint up.
Who needs machines, when you have 6 illegals running hand tools like a bunch of monkeys.
Well, almost 700 boards(all 12's) done in 7 days.Sanded some walls skimed & ready for paint.
Welcome to what we are dealing with here in NY.Hire illegals,pay them 120-150 a day(12)hr days.Don't pay any tax,carry no insurance,& put all the guys out of business that tried to do it legitimately.I'm sure this is going on all over the world.
Now to the good stuff.Amazing what some tape & mud can cover up.
You guys thought the rockers did a bad job @ first,Look @ all the outlets.

While, at least my machines won't try to replace me some day, unlike you, it will take just ONE of your illegals to smarten up and ditch you.
No taxes or insurance, and your putting legitimate men out of work, Guess your too much of a coward to play in the true underground economy ,,,,the drug world. No, you just rob the pockets of the honest working man who is trying to support his family.......You have no honour.
And no, this practice is not done around the world.You would be taken to the highest point of a building here in canuck land, and shown the fast stairs down......and trust me, it's been done:yes:
And I don't care if I get banned from this site, your the lowest of the low, this is a site for professional tradesmen, not slave traders. I hope someone from your area reads this and reports you. Personally, I'd start with the tax man, They will F*ck you up real good.
And by the way, you should hire 6 more illegals to clean your floors, set yourself up for the big fall

 

[Final touch drywall]

Somebody obviously wasn't following along.

:whistling2:2buck,I except your apology.
Did you not read from page 1.This is not my job.Period.
I do not hire & will never hire illegal immigrants.I carry all my insurances,pay all my taxes every year & try to run a legitimate business.

Welcome 2 New York.Why do you think we have illegals flocking here,because guys are getting away with it.I am thankful I work for honest builders, that do the right thing.:thumbsup:
For example,A rather large outfit just got caught & fined over 400 thousand for 40 illegal workers,paying them cash $100 a day.It can't just be going on in NY.

 

[2buckcanuck]

Ok ,sorry about that, read it from your last post. It looked like you were bragging about hi-ringing illegals. I will be the 1st to admit if I am wrong. So sorry about that ftd.
I think it's more of a problem down in the states (illegals), not saying it could not happen in Canada but........You guys have got so many now, that the politicians look at them as a potential vote, rather than a threat.
Hope that company getting fined, clears some room for you to get more work.
cheers

 

[mudslingr]

Either way, that's one hell of a freaking place ! What is it ? A house ?

Wish I could afford some of these monsters we work on.:blink:

 

[moore]

half moons and full moons , sh!t theres alot of them!
how many wires did they cut? looks like a precut job.
did they hang the 700 boards and then go back and screw the fields off?
YES final touch , i know this is not your job. i could tell .

south Americans take a bit more pride in there work. charge more than
Mexicans . Mexicans don't give a sh!t! that's why the two tribes hate each
other. i myself cannot live in a cardboard box.. hard to compete with a man
who has NO bills! hope this doesn't sound too raciest .

 

[SlimPickins]

This isn't our work.If my guys f-ed up that many outlets,they would be outta work.
5 over cut outlets in a house of that size is understandable,anything more,its time to find a new profession.

5? You're too nice. Maybe 2.:whistling2:

 

[betterdrywall]

FTD,, You sound a bit angry,, If these guys are running the job with out any insurance or state license,, Then why are you not reporting them? NYC has never been a place [from what I have heard in the past] that will let just anyone work there. very strict.

One more thing,, I know this will P.O. You .. and I am sorry.. but 7 days to finish out a nightmare of a home with 6 guys be them legal or illegal ,, They did a pretty dayum good job.. If all your saying is true,,, about these guys and there legal status,, then your Lucky... If they get legitmate and charge more and take more time.. Then You have some serious worries.. all that they need to do is improve ... Other than that,, It's ready for Texture...

Whats the deal with 12 ft boards??? 14 16 would be nice .. 8 and 9 10 could be used.. I have never ordered a home with just all 12 ft boards. or am I missing something?

 

[The_Texture_Guy]

in florida the illegals do the hanging finishing, the are working on the texturing, trim work, framing roofing, stucco. getting into electrical and plubming, as well as cabinets and carpets.

The only person i blame are the people who hire these companies that use illegal workers.

If on every jobsite you had to provide a social or something it might tighten things up. it dosent take a rocket scientist to figure out that if someone speaks no english they obviously aren't from here. simply detain them and ship them back. This is my solution, but the reason they don't do this is because it gets stuff done faster because no white person in florida is going to work that fast. That is the only sad part. as well the cost of homes will rise incredibly because everyone has to get their cut of the cut.

Its a double edge sword. i wish texture guys could bid on jobs just like every other trade instead of having to rely on a drywall contractor.

 

[robotaper]

:whistling2:2buck,I except your apology.
Did you not read from page 1.This is not my job.Period.
I do not hire & will never hire illegal immigrants.I carry all my insurances,pay all my taxes every year & try to run a legitimate business.

Welcome 2 New York.Why do you think we have illegals flocking here,because guys are getting away with it.I am thankful I work for honest builders, that do the right thing.:thumbsup:
For example,A rather large outfit just got caught & fined over 400 thousand for 40 illegal workers,paying them cash $100 a day.It can't just be going on in NY.

this has been going on for 20 yrs. plus here in the s.w.it makes it real hard to compete and make a decent living.

 

[jmr]

its pretty tough to compete when your competition works for half what you do, and does a good or OK job at it. 'good enough' work is usually good enough for most gcs or homeowners.

 

[moore]

Sorry I haven't had the time to update you guys on this.What a mess,:whistling2:but the sad part is the job is going to paint up.
Who needs machines, when you have 6 illegals running hand tools like a bunch of monkeys.
Well, almost 700 boards(all 12's) done in 7 days.Sanded some walls skimed & ready for paint.
Welcome to what we are dealing with here in NY.Hire illegals,pay them 120-150 a day(12)hr days.Don't pay any tax,carry no insurance,& put all the guys out of business that tried to do it legitimately.I'm sure this is going on all over the world.
Now to the good stuff.Amazing what some tape & mud can cover up.
You guys thought the rockers did a bad job @ first,Look @ all the outlets.

when did screw heads turn into seams?

 

[Final touch drywall]

FTD,, You sound a bit angry,, If these guys are running the job with out any insurance or state license,, Then why are you not reporting them? NYC has never been a place [from what I have heard in the past] that will let just anyone work there. very strict.

One more thing,, I know this will P.O. You .. and I am sorry.. but 7 days to finish out a nightmare of a home with 6 guys be them legal or illegal ,, They did a pretty dayum good job.. If all your saying is true,,, about these guys and there legal status,, then your Lucky... If they get legitmate and charge more and take more time.. Then You have some serious worries.. all that they need to do is improve ... Other than that,, It's ready for Texture...

Whats the deal with 12 ft boards??? 14 16 would be nice .. 8 and 9 10 could be used.. I have never ordered a home with just all 12 ft boards. or am I missing something?

Angry,not 1 bit.This type of stuff has been going on for as long as I can remember.I would never rat anyone out,its just not me,nor do I have the time.
See,I believe in what goes around, comes around.If you have been in this business long enough,just by looking @ that job,you can see major disasters happening to that house...So IMO the builder got what he paid for.It is gonna come back to haunt him.
Your right,the finishers did a fine job,can't blame them for busting they hump & making it paint ready.:thumbsup:

The only person i blame are the people who hire these companies that use illegal workers.

If on every jobsite you had to provide a social or something it might tighten things up. it dosent take a rocket scientist to figure out that if someone speaks no english they obviously aren't from here. simply detain them and ship them back. This is my solution, but the reason they don't do this is because it gets stuff done faster because no white person in florida is going to work that fast. That is the only sad part. as well the cost of homes will rise incredibly because everyone has to get their cut of the cut.

Amen brother:thumbsup:
Unfortunately you are right about the white man working.

its pretty tough to compete when your competition works for half what you do, and does a good or OK job at it. 'good enough' work is usually good enough for most gcs or homeowners.

Luckily there is still some builders around that still knows where quality gets them.

 

[betterdrywall]

FTD,, Your taking it alot smoother than I did in the past,, I used to get so P.O.'ed I thought I would go blind,, Guys cutting me out of work over pennies,,White contractors,, if that makes a difference,,, and not even charging the builders for extra's like bullnose. Walk in and see every joint in the home's, after a Heavy texture is applied. I've actually seen Texture over bare tape..
And still this is acceptable for a builder?

So when I say it is not a Bad job,, it really is not,,, compared to what I have seen in the past.

 

[The_Texture_Guy]

its pretty tough to compete when your competition works for half what you do, and does a good or OK job at it. 'good enough' work is usually good enough for most gcs or homeowners.

All it takes is for the gc to check everyone on the job every day of work. It is ultimatley their responsibility for this illegal hiring. There is a way to stop. They just choose not to.