I thought touch ups were a painters problem.

 

Come to Canada worky, our painters feel their above touch ups:furious:

combine these 4 pictures together, and that's what our painters think they are:yes:

 

Sounds like you are describing "onion skinning", the way I avoid it is spray the surrounding area with water first, that seems to soften or reactivate the existing topcoat, then when you touch up it's more like fresh over fresh so there should be no blending in problems when sanding.

 

Now that right there belongs in tips of the trade. :thumbsup:

 

Stopper, if your mud is drying up that hard on the chain, you need to let it sit in a bucket of water when you aren't running. Keeps all that mud wet. We tape all flats, take a break, the taper head is soaking at this time. When we start angles, the head gets scrubbed. A crummy head while running angles will cause you grief. If it gets crusty while running angles we'll scrub it again.

 

To be honest I wasn't paying much attention to the chain when I was using it, it wasn't till after I got home and watched a few of 2Bucks videos and saw him mention "not getting mud on the chain" that I thought that that might be my problem. I rule the tube out as the plunger was sliding nice and free, I kept a wet rag stuffed in the end of the zooka to keep it moist.

t if i know im using it the next day then the night before i will spray it up with lanox, .

Thanks I'll try that. :thumbup: I've ordered some St Johns Wort too

 

Hey guys! Got a problem here

For some reason I've been having lots of trouble with my touch ups after my final sanding. I mix my mud with professional tint from the supplier. The problem is that when I sand the touch ups, my sponge doesn't sand the tinted mud but it sands the skim coat around it... leaving a bigger touch up...

I was working with another taper who was using the same tint and he had no problem. So it's not the tint. I've tried using thin and thick mub but it makes no difference. I've also tried using less tint but I still got this problem :S

Anybody knows what I could be doing wrong?

Thanks!

Touch up and then sand!!!

 

touch up after prime.... problem solved :yes:

 

i see how this system works in your situation pointing up after your crews but i HATE touching up after prime. that's two more trips to any job than i ever plan on taking. mud does not go over primer as easy as fresh board. too many passes to eliminate fisheyes. thick, well mixed mud helps.

 

don t use tint, just pencil em

 

well, sounds like the tint your using is changing the texture of your mud, so try not to use too much tint.

I use blue chalk if needed (chalk line powder, don't use red), but even the chalk can cause the same problem. Trick is not to use too much. Make your mixture a very lite blue, not a very dark blue.

 

well, sounds like the tint your using is changing the texture of your mud, so try not to use too much tint.

I use blue chalk if needed (chalk line powder, don't use red), but even the chalk can cause the same problem. Trick is not to use too much. Make your mixture a very lite blue, not a very dark blue.

I'll try it again with even less tint then I guess. I've been waiting for primer since my last mess up like Thefinisher suggested

touch up after prime.... problem solved :yes:

The problem is that I've got too many touch ups and the painters don't like that ^^

 

Never touched up nothing in all my taping days!!:blink:
After i leave a house its up 2 the painter 2 sort anything:thumbsup:

 

God I wish we had it like that :yes:.

 

The problem is that I've got too many touch ups and the painters don't like that ^^[/QUOTE]

this is the problem right here. i'm not trying to be an ass but i don't usually have more than a few touch ups per room and they are usually so slight i know no one will see them. i've seen crews that must have thirty touch ups per room and bad ones too. you may as well just put a third coat on at that rate. when i do have to touch up i make sure not to skim the touch up tight for two reasons. firstly because you will compress the mud and make a harder area to sand on top of a uniform second coat thus the edges becoming worse not better. second, if the touch up has any depth to it, one skim will shrink too much and you will still see the defect.
my first effort would be to have less touch ups. one way or another more time needs to be taken to eliminate them.

 

So you're using greentop for finish coat and 45 hotmud for touchups?

 

Yup. After i have sanded. I dont really have much for touch ups. Dings , dents and flaws in the rock. Once I have sanded i expect to be getting a check and dont want my GCs to have any excuse to not pay me. Plus I dont plan on making an extra trip to come back and sand.

 

I sanded out a spec today around 6000 bf...DURING the sand I hit a few scratches and dents ..3 way touch ups ..I cut it tight with thin mud . no going back to sand. I kick a 500 watt around on my block and skim so sand day can be a breeze . If i get called back after prime /paint someone moved a box or stepped through a ceiling.

 

That's nevermiss tint really good stuff

 

if you go to home depot ask for concrete color just a dip of the corner of you knife in the cap of the bottle and into a pan mix, stuff lasted me 3 years one 10 buck bottle, gave plenty of tincher bottles away also, finally lost the bottle i had:yes:

 

Sounds like your giving it good go anyway, Took me a while to figure out the zook, Now i just use it for corners as i want tradeset for taping and a homax does it well. I dont use a zook much but if i know im using it the next day then the night before i will spray it up with lanox, And up the tube then leave it head down in a empty paint pot over night, Next day shes good to go, If any mud get on it then it wont stick, Or just a hose off and its gone.

 

:lol: You crack me up harvey ! Got any video ? :lol:

 

after your skim coat sets up, depending on climate/temp go through and touch it up when its stick tacky, on any finish we always go through and spot all the corner bead, butts, angles and seems like a screw, basically crossing anything off and just pull everything tight, like a screw as stated before. This eliminates pinholes and dust filled gouges you might not see otherwise. I use tint also in my mud, not never miss but a different product we came up with ourself, not chalk or anything like that, and I can use red color to tape, skim, touchups texture, whichever step its is and it does NOT bleed through the primer. Chalk has a tendency to change the porosity of the mud and can cause problems later on, so stay away from that, and I don't use the tint to find touchups, I mix it in every box of mud I apply, because its brightens the day !

 

after your skim coat sets up, depending on climate/temp go through and touch it up when its stick tacky, on any finish we always go through and spot all the corner bead, butts, angles and seems like a screw, basically crossing anything off and just pull everything tight, like a screw as stated before. This eliminates pinholes and dust filled gouges you might not see otherwise. I use tint also in my mud, not never miss but a different product we came up with ourself, not chalk or anything like that, and I can use red color to tape, skim, touchups texture, whichever step its is and it does NOT bleed through the primer. Chalk has a tendency to change the porosity of the mud and can cause problems later on, so stay away from that, and I don't use the tint to find touchups, I mix it in every box of mud I apply, because its brightens the day !

MagicCityDrywall rocks

 

Have yet to have chalk come through with over a thousand jobs?

 

I have yet to add chalk to my mud period!

 

I never said anything about chalk coming through,but I've seen it happen myself, maybe the guilty party used an excessive amount, but it has null advantages when adding it to drywall mud besides leaving something behind for different materials NOT to bond well with. How much testing have you done with chalkline and the different aspects of mud, primer, paints, lacquers, acrylics, latex's oil bases?

I recently use the Dewalt blue chalk. It is bolder/ darker than Ervin chalk. I have always used blue and never had any problems with bleeding through.

 

What mud are you using?

 

Using a color additive or not touchups can be a pain if not done right. We do go through after finish sand for all ours. I've used never-miss, chalk, but usually use nothing. Verdicts still out for me about never-miss, some of my guys think it's easier to sand the touchups but I haven't really noticed a difference.

Thing is be sure to keep all edges pulled ass tight, and when you go to sand them have enough lighting to see if you killed the edge enough without "humping" the edges.

 

Different batches of mud have different amounts of water, and therefore different densities. Could be you are touching up with a heavier/denser mix, than what you used for skimming. try touching up with the same mud. I seem to remember a discussion on this a while back. However, it was probably a thread that went off topic, so good luck finding it!

 

I have been using ez sand 45 for my touch ups. Its a different color then USG green top. For the rooms that are dark I just mark them with blue painters tape. I hate searching for them and I have a crew so theres no excuse for them not to see it. Small touch up small piece of tape. Large touch up bigger piece of tape.

 

What I find helps is to use a sanding sponge with a medium and fine side. First go over the edges gently with the medium side then finish it off with the fine to remove scratches. And I will always grab a fresh sponge to do touch-ups because have found a used sponge will very often give me that same issue.

 

i use red food coloring, for vtouch up. course im kinda blind..... then i go in(this is for remodles mind you, and sand and spray the wall stains with kilz. course you guys are doing levAL 4 ? IT AINT BRAIN salad surgery. LEVAL 5 is

 

so the trick is not to have any touch ups I guess ^^ but it's totally impossible if you are doing commercial site. This site where I'm working at is stupid. They keep adding bulkheads, new walls, cutting the drywall, etc. and everybody is banging and scratching my walls it's ridiculous. and since the primer is not done I'm still responsible to fix every ding and ****.

 

Dont be afraid to stick up for yourself. i dont fix other trades mishaps and screwups unless i get a signed ticket. I dont count new walls, bulkheads or damage as touch ups. If your at the point where you are all sanded and they are still adding more sheetrock and cutting out holes you are being taken advantage of. insist on all sheetrock being completed before you start. If not thats called an extra and should be on a backcharge slip.