<P>Ok, tired of wearing sanding masks that let drywall dust past the nose clamp etc Tried wearing the dual cartridge mask but too heavy becomes a pain at the end of the day and the prefilters are always packed and dust still makes it in . Always end up back with the 3M, but there has to be other choices. What is everyone using out there ? </P> perhaps its time for the manufacturers of drywall mud to include suitable respirators with their product ! i could do without a free T shirt. It may be a longshot but i believe the proper respirator is an important part of what we do so if Columbia, Tapetech etc.... were to include one in their line up I would buy it !!:thumbup:
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Maybe you should read wikipedia, it's like the news but with sources.:whistling2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
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They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true,,, right?????
LOL
BTW,,, I'm really a French model
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See,,, there ya go,,, that's your opinion,,, mines different. Don't even matter who's right or not,,,even if SOME folks seem to demand you believe as they do,,,,LOL:blink:
Dust never seemed to bother me early on but this last year finally broke down and got a respirator. I was getting mild headaches after about 10 minutes of sanding and they would linger all day. I also keep boxes of the " Good Cheapies" around for guys to use. One guy bought his own real nice one. The detail sanding with sponges is the worst kind. If Im doing a quik sand before boxing or pumpin angles then I wont wear, just keep ahead of the dust. If Im finish sanding with light and poles and sponges then I wear a mask. Opinions do vary but Id recommend you try it for a week or two... ( Capt. and moore) it couldnt hurt
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Guess I'm about the same
throughout my career I would be more pron to wear a mask when doing the sponge work, up high. (if I had them). But I seemed to only buy a mask when I knew I had to pole out painted ceilings.:yes:
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You can disagree, but instead of global warming(now properly referred to as 'climate change') or the easter bunny and tooth fairy, what are your thoughts on asbestos or lead paint?
How about the new ban on VOC's in all paints?
The same 'people' that have studied these things and told us they were bad for us to the point they are killing us, be it slowly or quickly. Have said that any mineral dust, gypsum, granite, marble, coal, all cause silicosis.
Totally up to you if you want to beleive or not but as they say sometimes ignorance is bliss. I often envy all the old school guys(Capt, Moore, 2buck) just do the job and not worry about all the things that 'could' be. Here's to ya boys:drink:
Last year I bought a Mirka Ceros. (compact electric random orbital sander) Made by a Finnish company Mirka, who specialised in car body repair tools etc.
Now they're making these for the decorating, construction industry.
Instead of sandpaper it uses Abranet technology, which is a net with thousand of little holes that fits onto the sander by Velcro material. It doesn't clog and lasts longer than normal sandpaper.
The Ceros connects via a 4 metre hose to an extraction unit with auto start facility.
The Ceros connects to a transformer for power.
There are different grades of abranet for different substrates. So for drywall I use one of the lesser grades.
It is advertised as "virtually dust free sanding" and is exactly that. No more looking like you just had a fight with a big bag of flour and lost. It works brilliantly on flat walls and I also have a Mirka Handy which gives a great finish on internal corners, edges etc.
Here's a link that might work.
http://www.mirka.com/
I can't rate it highly enough
Now they're making these for the decorating, construction industry.
Instead of sandpaper it uses Abranet technology, which is a net with thousand of little holes that fits onto the sander by Velcro material. It doesn't clog and lasts longer than normal sandpaper.
The Ceros connects via a 4 metre hose to an extraction unit with auto start facility.
The Ceros connects to a transformer for power.
There are different grades of abranet for different substrates. So for drywall I use one of the lesser grades.
It is advertised as "virtually dust free sanding" and is exactly that. No more looking like you just had a fight with a big bag of flour and lost. It works brilliantly on flat walls and I also have a Mirka Handy which gives a great finish on internal corners, edges etc.
Here's a link that might work.
http://www.mirka.com/
I can't rate it highly enough
For me that unit raises a couple of concerns aside from the fact of how small a surface area the sander has.
#1 It is a random orbital sander, my experience with them (my farther is a auto body repair technician
) is that they leave small circles on the job surface no matter how fine your abrasive is.
#2 I gave the Abranet a try but found that it polished the surface rather than sanded. The joints looked as smooth and as shinny as glass. I re-coated and sanded with my usual paper (joest super pads) as I could see some major flashing problems ahead.
Not knocking what you are saying, just passing on my experience with said products.
#1 It is a random orbital sander, my experience with them (my farther is a auto body repair technician
) is that they leave small circles on the job surface no matter how fine your abrasive is. #2 I gave the Abranet a try but found that it polished the surface rather than sanded. The joints looked as smooth and as shinny as glass. I re-coated and sanded with my usual paper (joest super pads) as I could see some major flashing problems ahead.
Not knocking what you are saying, just passing on my experience with said products.
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I can see you no respect for people with an opinion other than your own.
You must be a liberal progressive
You made a comment on the "new" PC term for goreable warring.
Here's a new PC term for people that refuse to believe another person may have an opinion that is different,,,its "arsehole"
YES!! How can I breath in the dust while puffin on a red??:blink:
Gazman, with my fairly limited us of the ceros all I can say is it works for me.
I haven't found any issues with it leaving small circles or polishing. If it is maybe I just don't see them.
At the end of the day I know dust extraction sanding is the way to go so I'll keep on.
We all have different opinions which is what keeps this forum alive, thanks for the feedback.
I haven't found any issues with it leaving small circles or polishing. If it is maybe I just don't see them.
At the end of the day I know dust extraction sanding is the way to go so I'll keep on.
We all have different opinions which is what keeps this forum alive, thanks for the feedback.
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I'm the guy who has a problem with opinions? Maybe reread this post...
I love this site and how much debate of opinion goes on.
Capt. I truly do hope you guys are right and drywall dust is completely harmless. For as much as we do use masks, respirators and all the other tools and methods of dealing with dust, truth is we still breathe in a pile of it. Shy of putting on a full suit and breathing apparatus oxygen tank in the driveway and not taking it off until the end of the day.
I have a young family that I come home to every night. They are the reason I go to work, push as hard as I do and want be around as long as possible and maintain a quality of life long after I hang up the tools.
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The Easter bunny isn't real:blink:
This Global warming thing better be real
, minus 15c right now, Bring on the tropical paradise to Canada........And this old timer believes a Professional taper merely sands his ultra smooth work so the paint will stick to it. Well the hacks load her up, and whittle it down like a wood sculpture does.
Personally, I think a boardman can consume more dust when running a router, than a taper just pole sanding:yes:
I am just going over my bi monthly orders. Dust masks 3 boxes of 10 3m with valve for a total of $92 dollars.. Then 2 sets of cartridges and 4 prefilters. $42.00. I use both masks and respiraters for sanding. Masks for stick sanding but respirator when using the PC and sometimes for large ceilings. Its definately worth the $70 bucks a month but i also think I can save by buying in bulk online or when on sale or during the proshows that paint supply stores have each spring. I also think a mask is a must for routing drywall and glasses never hurt. 2buck design a dustless router we can patent it in US and Canada and we can make millions.:thumbup:
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I don't believe I said that dust was harmless.
I just gave my opinion ,,,, I don't think its a big deal ,,,I think your body has enough filter in it to take care of it.
I', 59 and don't have lung problems,,,that's MY experience, yours may differ. Glad you have a young family,,, they are the thing we live for. I have 9 grandkids,, the oldest is 18, and I'm still sanding without a mask. So's who right??? Gore or Eigore???? Beats me,,, but unlike you,,, I feel that everyone is entitled to their opinion ,,,as long as they don't decide that everyone HAS too agree with them.
3 boxes for $92?
Or bi-monthly, so is that 6 boxes for $92?ya the valve masks are $3.10 each including tax. That was for 2 months. I know I can get a better deal if i look around. I have been going over all my books last 2 weeks to see where i can save cash. Definately need to start doing this more. In the last year spent almost 1k on friggin paint brushes. That and another $800 on spray tips and base assemblies. Got to start cracking the whip on these items.
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