What sizes?

2buckcanuck

I'll answer for mudstar,I got one tt,2columbia bazooka's ,it's in your mud mix (and rolling) for me to push a 3 1/2" I'm guessing 10 to 12 cups of water (tim horton's large)in your mud mix,I use to do it,but that's one reason I switched to 2 1/2 to wipe. 7 to 8 cups for that,Also the type of mud you use affects this too,mud very Important,If you were to make a wonder invention for taping,invent one coat mud

2buckcanuck

you must be big strong taper,make your mud more runny ,you admit to running it thicker than some...so!The runnier the mud u get less fish eyes,mud types make a difference,I use same type for EVERYTHING till it comes to angles,try a all purpose or lite weight,dont forget sanding is part of the process and three times over angles is costing you money ,unless your paid by hour,experiment

Capt-sheetrock

I know this is not very professionall, but I use whatever is the cheapest mud at the time.

Don't really make ALL that much differance, since we wet it down like we do. Thin mud doesn't have much of an issue with "poch marks" or "fish eyes". Thats a problem that hand finishers have.

In other words, if your not running it thick,, it AIN'T a problem.

Bevelation

Where do you find this magic backwards mud?
What I've experienced running thick mud / thin mud, whether through machines or by hand, compared to what you just said is completely the opposite.

It would be better to state that it's the tools and how they're used instead of how you run your mud that will influence how bad they fish-eye.

The only circumstance in support of what you said is if the mud is mixed for too long in the bucket. But then it will fish-eye regardless of how thin you mix.

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Capt-sheetrock

I disagree, really disagree.

Mud wil fish-eye,(pock) when it is thick,, If its thin ANY mud will work and pock-marks(fish-eyes) are not a problem,

The tools are not the problem,, the thickness of the mud and how heavy it is,,, is the problem!

I could be wrong,,, but I'm NOT

Bevelation

Gladly, I don't use the mud you're using.

I've only experienced constant fish-eyes with certain setting compounds mixed heavy, which I never use for coating anyway.

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Capt-sheetrock

You may have a point,,, I have only used
1)usg, green lid (all four types) blue lid,purple lid,white lid
2)pro-form, black lid, red lid,blue lid, burgandy lid
3)ruco
4)premier
5)LaFarge (rapid coat and regular)
6)easy-finish
7)dura-baond (brown bag) 90,120
8)easy-sand 5,20,45,90,120

So I may not have enough time in it to give a resonable response,,,,

My bad !!!!

Tim0282

Hey Capt. You haven't used Murco? What's up with that? If you would ever try it, you wouldn't go back to all of the others!

D's

Well Capt, I'll have to try the 3.5 first before the 2.5. I always found that a first pass with a 2.5 would sometimes sink into a bevel leaving it underfilled. Got an Apla setup now so the extra loading on the 3.5 shouldn't be a problem.

D'S

Mudstar

I run concorde and blueline and both leave enough mud with no voids

2buckcanuck

wow ,you got a concorde that still runs

Saul_Surfaces

thanks for the insight. I'd been running mud nearly thick enough to flat box with because it didn't give me fish eyes, where really soupy mud seemed to. It might be that the side blades on my angle heads should be extended out closer to the wall. They're pretty much flush with the front blades on my setup. I mix a little bit of setting compound into my mud on the top coat to get enough mud to cover the tape well (again, likely since my blades are set to wipe too tight). As the season gets slower I should take advantage of the extra time to play with the blades and mud thickness.

Mudstar

MY repairs are done with tape tech parts so far and I will need a chain soon. I will have to measure it when I take it a part to see who's chain is going to fit.

Bevelation

No problem. I was about to call you a stubborn old man.

Now, I'll just call you an old man.

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mudslingr

I'm sensing some sarcasm here ! I only get fish eyes over painted surfaces. I like to mix the box of mud ( The Best Mud or Stynko ) for a good minute with NO water for first coat on my bead and from 10' away you would think it was a finish coat. My first coat on butts is the same mud and no fish eyes. It's all in how you apply it. I find if you always finish trowel in the opposite direction of applying it, you will eliminate the fish eyes.

And yes I'm talking hand work. I do both hand and machine but nothing beats a good hand job ! Why re-coat with a box when you can do it right the first time ?

Bevelation

If they're run properly, it still takes less time, even if you run a 7, 10, and 12. You still have to work your mud more than 2 passes by hand to get rid of fish-eyes, and still I'm skeptical on how necessary it is to get rid of all of them because how much are you caving your bead in order to do that?

Minimizing fish-eye is satisfactory considering the time taken to do so (with the exception of coating over paint). Trying to eliminate them completely on first coat, however, is time-wasting and unnecessary.

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Capt-sheetrock

Yes you are right, I think there was a bit more than just a little sarcasm in that post.

I tape with a bazooka, bed with a 8" (one pass) and skim with a 10" (one pass). I have ZERO problem with pock's or fish eyes, cause I add MEGA water to my cheap-arse mud.

However when I hand finish, I HAVE to "back-down" the mud, in other words, after I run it on the wall I HAVE to run it back the other way to git it level and even then I can wipe the edges and then wipe the middle,,, Oh my bad, I guess I'm running it 5 times by hand rather than ONE time with machines and cheap arse mud watered down,,,, my bad.

Capt-sheetrock

D's, thats why I went to the 3 1/2 for the first coat, It will ride the bevel better than any other, especially on the top wall board (at the ceiling) BUT you have to have the mudrunner to put the amount of mud out that it takes. Anyone that says a bazooka will give you that kind of mud,,, well,,, took some really good drugs back in the sixties.

Capt-sheetrock

Sorry guys, after I made this post, I got to thinking,, and there are alot more types of mud that I have used,,, but I won't bother you with them at this time.