Review for the vario tapeless mud

joepro0000

Can this mud be used in a fire-wall, just mud it without taping?

akcajun

joe by the manufactures website..it can be used as firetape...it has the specs on the web site

kgphoto

Ah, but does it have local approval? There's the rub.

akcajun

it does have a us patent if thats what your referring too.. I have used it on 2 jobs so far and love it

kgphoto

No not a patent. In Los Angeles, all materials have to be approved for use for their specific application. If it is not approved, then it can only be used if an engineer or architect puts their license up for backing it. On Fire Resistive Assemblies, the City follows the FIRE RESISTANCE DESIGN MANUAL (GA-600-09) Vol 19.


Here's where you can get a copy:

http://www.gypsum.org/purchase.html

rebel20

First why would you pay for the manual when its free
http://www.gypsum.org/download.html

Second the drywall joint compound is not listed so where does it state it in the GA-600-09 which compound you must use? Mud and tape are decorative.

rebel20

[quote=rebel20;9164]I had a small bucket no pan. I have also put skim coat of mud over the existing Plaster and paint no primer just to test for those guys out there that keep asking the question of mud over paint. And the threads bubbles when mudding over paint and so forth. I must say I had fine bubbles in a 1 in. area but when I swiped trowel over it they disappeared immediately. And there were three coats of paint pink (probably primer), green and yellow.

The results I am sure if one of you guys would have done it been much better and probable in a fraction of the time it took me to do it. I also mixed the mud with hot water to see what the results in setting time would be, there was no difference. The only difference in setting time was on the painted surface which took about 25 minutes longer to set. As I am leaving for Germany tomorrow my brother will do the finishing touches. Sand, touch up and paint if they even decide to do this. My dad may say has a rustical touch to it and sand and paint.

I will try to have my dad take a picture once a month to post to see the results of the mud over paint, plaster no primer.


New pic after 1 month vario still holding. Kinda yellow camera setting will try to get better pic next time.

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kgphoto

Rebel,

Next time, just set your white balance to tungsten or indoors, or your kelvin temperature to 3400. If you have a photo editing software, like Elements or Photoshop, you can use your white balance eyedropper tool to pic a neutral in the scene to color correct this image.

rebel20

Ya I know that but I did not take the picture it came from my dad in Michigan. I did the wall when I was there at Christmas time.

kgphoto

You can still fix it in post. If you want to email me the original file, I can adjust it and send it back to you.

Mudslinger

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rebel20

PM From Drywalltalk user


recd your mud on mon feb 15...I am doing some work on a habitat house in ellsworth maine. I used the Vario to run an angle (no tape) and i used it to coat some blisters. I have photos of the angle and blisters for you and will send them so all can see. Just from using the mud, I am quite impressed with application factor.

I also used the mud to circle some boxes which had ruptured. Found it very easy to avoid lap marks from wet mud coming into itself from oppostite directions as opposed to regular 'hot mud" which it is almost unavoidable to do such.

I also used your product to tape and coat around shower enclosures and to coat some screws which had been left off by the volunteers. I look forward to going back and checking the product before sanding and after priming. I like the fact that the mud dries to a different color as opposed to dying my mud for touchups.

I would like to know what the price and availability would be for someone like me who lives in a somewhat remote area. I also run the "tools" (boxes, pumps) and would like to know if there are plans for a product which we will be able to run thru the tools.

Thanks for your time. Will keep you posted I visit the habitat house

He sent Pics also will post them at later time

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Here are the photos referenced in the last post. I apologize for the quality they were taken from the phone. We ran both sides of an angle which had not been taped but had been prefilled with hot mud...AWESOME. Also circled some boxes. Every box on the job had to be fixed. This was a volunteer project so someone was learning the zip tool obviously. We also taped around the shower enclosures. This stuff ROCKS. I have already spoken with the distribution rep. I look forward to using this on my next job. The only downside I would see where I live is that there are a bunch of cheap BA$%@*&DS, and of course the no tape thing would have them looking at me like I had a third eye, but that aside, I will have no problem using this on my own jobs. I am going to recommend it at my local stock yard. Thanks Gary.

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Tim0282

Wonder why it doesn't crack... I am a bit skeptical not using tape...

rebel20

Vario Tapeless Joint Compound contains a proprietary mix of polymer additives. Ordinary compounds contain mostly gypsum products with very little tensile strength, which is why tape is needed to bridge joints. The polymers in Vario give it the necessary tensile strength to bridge joints securely without tape.

Tim0282

Sounds good. Wouldn't mind trying it. Wonder if it is sold on this side of the pond. Any idea?

rebel20

yes it is our warehouse and headquarters are in N.C.

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Hey Tim, I'd be less skeptical about using mud without tape than tape without mud. Have you seen that stuff? The vario is pretty sweet. Angle with no tape in Maine, exterior wall, 20 outside 70 inside. No cracks. It's going to cost you little more than your regular hotmud but I give it a big Bill

Tim0282

Thanks for the review. Sounds great in those bathroom remodels that they want done in one day.

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My thoughts exactly Tim...I do alot of those. I also have just been asked to fix a bunch of cracks in a 7 yo pre fab home in Portland. I have a bag of the Vario left so I think I'll use it on some of the areas and be able to send info on that as well. I'll take my digital this time so the photos should be better quality.