Review for the vario tapeless mud - Page 2 - Drywall Talk - Professional Drywall and Finishing Contractors Forum

joepro0000 · 01-15-2010, 07:13 PM

Can this mud be used in a fire-wall, just mud it without taping?

akcajun · 01-16-2010, 01:47 AM

joe by the manufactures website..it can be used as firetape...it has the specs on the web site

kgphoto · 01-16-2010, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akcajun

joe by the manufactures website..it can be used as firetape...it has the specs on the web site

Ah, but does it have local approval? There's the rub.

akcajun · 01-16-2010, 04:47 AM

it does have a us patent if thats what your referring too.. I have used it on 2 jobs so far and love it

kgphoto · 01-17-2010, 02:03 PM

No not a patent. In Los Angeles, all materials have to be approved for use for their specific application. If it is not approved, then it can only be used if an engineer or architect puts their license up for backing it. On Fire Resistive Assemblies, the City follows the FIRE RESISTANCE DESIGN MANUAL (GA-600-09) Vol 19.

Here's where you can get a copy:

http://www.gypsum.org/purchase.html

rebel20 · 01-18-2010, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgphoto

No not a patent. In Los Angeles, all materials have to be approved for use for their specific application. If it is not approved, then it can only be used if an engineer or architect puts their license up for backing it. On Fire Resistive Assemblies, the City follows the FIRE RESISTANCE DESIGN MANUAL (GA-600-09) Vol 19.

Here's where you can get a copy:

http://www.gypsum.org/purchase.html

First why would you pay for the manual when its free
http://www.gypsum.org/download.html

Second the drywall joint compound is not listed so where does it state it in the GA-600-09 which compound you must use? Mud and tape are decorative.

rebel20 · 02-17-2010, 04:33 AM

[quote=rebel20;9164]I had a small bucket no pan. I have also put skim coat of mud over the existing Plaster and paint no primer just to test for those guys out there that keep asking the question of mud over paint. And the threads bubbles when mudding over paint and so forth. I must say I had fine bubbles in a 1 in. area but when I swiped trowel over it they disappeared immediately. And there were three coats of paint pink (probably primer), green and yellow.

The results I am sure if one of you guys would have done it been much better and probable in a fraction of the time it took me to do it. I also mixed the mud with hot water to see what the results in setting time would be, there was no difference. The only difference in setting time was on the painted surface which took about 25 minutes longer to set. As I am leaving for Germany tomorrow my brother will do the finishing touches. Sand, touch up and paint if they even decide to do this. My dad may say has a rustical touch to it and sand and paint.

I will try to have my dad take a picture once a month to post to see the results of the mud over paint, plaster no primer.

New pic after 1 month vario still holding. Kinda yellow camera setting will try to get better pic next time.

kgphoto · 02-18-2010, 11:57 AM

Rebel,

Next time, just set your white balance to tungsten or indoors, or your kelvin temperature to 3400. If you have a photo editing software, like Elements or Photoshop, you can use your white balance eyedropper tool to pic a neutral in the scene to color correct this image.

rebel20 · 02-19-2010, 06:17 AM

Ya I know that but I did not take the picture it came from my dad in Michigan. I did the wall when I was there at Christmas time.

kgphoto · 02-20-2010, 08:57 AM

You can still fix it in post. If you want to email me the original file, I can adjust it and send it back to you.

Mudslinger · 02-24-2010, 09:15 PM

This has to be some of the smoothest setting mud i have used. Now if I could just find it somewhere local that sells it.

rebel20 · 03-02-2010, 10:00 AM

PM From Drywalltalk user

recd your mud on mon feb 15...I am doing some work on a habitat house in ellsworth maine. I used the Vario to run an angle (no tape) and i used it to coat some blisters. I have photos of the angle and blisters for you and will send them so all can see. Just from using the mud, I am quite impressed with application factor.

I also used the mud to circle some boxes which had ruptured. Found it very easy to avoid lap marks from wet mud coming into itself from oppostite directions as opposed to regular 'hot mud" which it is almost unavoidable to do such.

I also used your product to tape and coat around shower enclosures and to coat some screws which had been left off by the volunteers. I look forward to going back and checking the product before sanding and after priming. I like the fact that the mud dries to a different color as opposed to dying my mud for touchups.

I would like to know what the price and availability would be for someone like me who lives in a somewhat remote area. I also run the "tools" (boxes, pumps) and would like to know if there are plans for a product which we will be able to run thru the tools.

Thanks for your time. Will keep you posted I visit the habitat house

He sent Pics also will post them at later time

FOR THOSE ABOUT · 03-08-2010, 08:11 AM

Here are the photos referenced in the last post. I apologize for the quality they were taken from the phone. We ran both sides of an angle which had not been taped but had been prefilled with hot mud...AWESOME. Also circled some boxes. Every box on the job had to be fixed. This was a volunteer project so someone was learning the zip tool obviously. We also taped around the shower enclosures. This stuff ROCKS. I have already spoken with the distribution rep. I look forward to using this on my next job. The only downside I would see where I live is that there are a bunch of cheap BA$%@*&DS, and of course the no tape thing would have them looking at me like I had a third eye, but that aside, I will have no problem using this on my own jobs. I am going to recommend it at my local stock yard. Thanks Gary.

Tim0282 · 03-08-2010, 11:22 PM

Wonder why it doesn't crack... I am a bit skeptical not using tape...

rebel20 · 03-09-2010, 09:02 AM

Vario Tapeless Joint Compound contains a proprietary mix of polymer additives. Ordinary compounds contain mostly gypsum products with very little tensile strength, which is why tape is needed to bridge joints. The polymers in Vario give it the necessary tensile strength to bridge joints securely without tape.

Tim0282 · 03-09-2010, 11:23 PM

Sounds good. Wouldn't mind trying it. Wonder if it is sold on this side of the pond. Any idea?

rebel20 · 03-10-2010, 07:11 AM

yes it is our warehouse and headquarters are in N.C.

FOR THOSE ABOUT · 03-10-2010, 07:29 AM

Hey Tim, I'd be less skeptical about using mud without tape than tape without mud. Have you seen that stuff? The vario is pretty sweet. Angle with no tape in Maine, exterior wall, 20 outside 70 inside. No cracks. It's going to cost you little more than your regular hotmud but I give it a big

Bill

Tim0282 · 03-10-2010, 10:45 PM

Thanks for the review. Sounds great in those bathroom remodels that they want done in one day.

FOR THOSE ABOUT · 03-11-2010, 07:43 AM

My thoughts exactly Tim...I do alot of those. I also have just been asked to fix a bunch of cracks in a 7 yo pre fab home in Portland. I have a bag of the Vario left so I think I'll use it on some of the areas and be able to send info on that as well. I'll take my digital this time so the photos should be better quality.

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kgphoto New member, old worker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: LA, CA Posts: 100	No not a patent. In Los Angeles, all materials have to be approved for use for their specific application. If it is not approved, then it can only be used if an engineer or architect puts their license up for backing it. On Fire Resistive Assemblies, the City follows the FIRE RESISTANCE DESIGN MANUAL (GA-600-09) Vol 19. Here's where you can get a copy: http://www.gypsum.org/purchase.html

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02-19-2010, 06:17 AM	#29
rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	Ya I know that but I did not take the picture it came from my dad in Michigan. I did the wall when I was there at Christmas time.

02-20-2010, 08:57 AM	#30
kgphoto New member, old worker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: LA, CA Posts: 100	You can still fix it in post. If you want to email me the original file, I can adjust it and send it back to you.

02-24-2010, 09:15 PM	#31
Mudslinger Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 15	This has to be some of the smoothest setting mud i have used. Now if I could just find it somewhere local that sells it.

03-02-2010, 10:00 AM	#32
rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	PM From Drywalltalk user recd your mud on mon feb 15...I am doing some work on a habitat house in ellsworth maine. I used the Vario to run an angle (no tape) and i used it to coat some blisters. I have photos of the angle and blisters for you and will send them so all can see. Just from using the mud, I am quite impressed with application factor. I also used the mud to circle some boxes which had ruptured. Found it very easy to avoid lap marks from wet mud coming into itself from oppostite directions as opposed to regular 'hot mud" which it is almost unavoidable to do such. I also used your product to tape and coat around shower enclosures and to coat some screws which had been left off by the volunteers. I look forward to going back and checking the product before sanding and after priming. I like the fact that the mud dries to a different color as opposed to dying my mud for touchups. I would like to know what the price and availability would be for someone like me who lives in a somewhat remote area. I also run the "tools" (boxes, pumps) and would like to know if there are plans for a product which we will be able to run thru the tools. Thanks for your time. Will keep you posted I visit the habitat house He sent Pics also will post them at later time

03-08-2010, 11:22 PM	#34
Tim0282 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 280	Wonder why it doesn't crack... I am a bit skeptical not using tape...

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rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	Vario Tapeless Joint Compound contains a proprietary mix of polymer additives. Ordinary compounds contain mostly gypsum products with very little tensile strength, which is why tape is needed to bridge joints. The polymers in Vario give it the necessary tensile strength to bridge joints securely without tape.

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Tim0282 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 280	Sounds good. Wouldn't mind trying it. Wonder if it is sold on this side of the pond. Any idea?

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rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	yes it is our warehouse and headquarters are in N.C.

03-10-2010, 07:29 AM	#38
FOR THOSE ABOUT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: maine Posts: 139	Hey Tim, I'd be less skeptical about using mud without tape than tape without mud. Have you seen that stuff? The vario is pretty sweet. Angle with no tape in Maine, exterior wall, 20 outside 70 inside. No cracks. It's going to cost you little more than your regular hotmud but I give it a big Bill

03-10-2010, 10:45 PM	#39
Tim0282 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 280	Thanks for the review. Sounds great in those bathroom remodels that they want done in one day.

03-11-2010, 07:43 AM	#40
FOR THOSE ABOUT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: maine Posts: 139	My thoughts exactly Tim...I do alot of those. I also have just been asked to fix a bunch of cracks in a 7 yo pre fab home in Portland. I have a bag of the Vario left so I think I'll use it on some of the areas and be able to send info on that as well. I'll take my digital this time so the photos should be better quality.