paper faced bead

damudman

I just switched over to the paper bead.
It sure is a lot faster to install and finish, it seams a lot stronger too.
The job i am doing now has about 50 sticks per apartment and we have to do 12 of them.
The last ones we did we used metal bead and an it took 3 hrs for 1 man to install the bead in 1 apt, and we did 8 of them. This was metal framing so you have to screw all the bead on.
Now I installed all the bead in 1.5 hrs, and the finish should go a lot faster now too.
The only thing is it is a little sloppy when rolling the bead on, so if you would have any tips let me know.

Tim0282

Have you used the mud applicator for the No Coat tape? Inside or outside corners? They go on the hockey box and put the mud on before the tape. Looks like it would be slick, but is it?

Brockster

I watched a guy use that system a few years ago and looked like a messy pain but that is just my opinion.

I'll stick to my metal corner bead using my $29 1/4"by1" pneumatic stapler with my little Porta Cable compressor. I can fly with my system and have had people hit my coated beads with scissor lifts and they held up just as well as nailed beads.

I've heard only good things with the paper beads but it just looks like a messy operation to me.

Tim0282

Just looking on that is what I have always thought, too. And we do our metal beads the same as you and have had no trouble. They talk about all the structural value in the mud on bead. I really wonder about that. It is hard to beat metal for quick install and coat.

JCardoza

As a texture guy I HATE the paper bead. I always have to be carefull not to scuff the corner when sanding and it's tough to get a clean corner on it on soffits and what not. Makes me irritated just thinking about it LOL

DRYWALLDAN

I Have Been Using The Metal Bead For Years Except For Places Where Theres No Place To Nail, Then Flextape Or Paper Bead... But Lately I Have Been Using The 3m Adhesive With Paper Bead Its Fast And Works Pretty Good, Just A Thought...i Still Like Nailin Bead But If Ya Want To Go Fast The Adhesive Is Good..

Al Taper

I like the paperbead. Its easyer and less mud then metal.

savant

I cannot tolerate failures w/ 3M spray adhesive & bead. It gets to be useless w/out staples.

savant

I don't use staples w/ papermetal, but I do w/vinyl. I don't want to have to install every bead myself, and workers always screw-up coverage or dry-time.

cooper

When you say paper faced you mean tape on right? I use paper face on everything, the texture sticks better, the corner can take more abuse which equals less service calls. That is one bad thing about the drywall trade--service calls. If some finish carpenter decides to punch a hole in the wall you're the guy that comes and fixes it. No questions asked. If you took a hammer and smashed a bit of baseboard, everyone would look at you and say, wtf?

If you are talking about tape on metal though... It is much quicker if you just doing ups and downs. It is difficult to get it to come together on "boxes." Something that meets at a corner from three directions. You can solve this by using straight box mud for those areas. I have done plenty of houses with and and the bucket with the device on the bottom is the best way to go when putting this stuff on. This metal truly is the superior metal because it is much quicker depending on the type of job, it is paper faced so the texture sticks, you use the metal rollers so it goes on completely straight, it doesn't go into the framing so won't shrink with the wood, and is thicker so you will use much less mud.

The downside is definitely that it gets chewed up by hoses, especially old crusty ones.

Mudstar

Tip on making this job alot less messy is to put just the right amount of mud on the bead and roller it out slower with less presure so not to fling around the excess compound.

brdn_drywall

i use the aplatech system with a can-am outside 90 mud applicator, paperfaced metal with a roller. the time saved is worth an extra pass with the floor scraper, if you don't have a little mess your not working fast enough this is a dirty trade know matter how you look at it.

Tim0282

WOW, Mudstar, you are one good looking drywall finisher, if one can go by the picture under your name.???

1wallboardsman

Do you stick with your wife beating the laundry with a rock down by the river too?

jdl

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rabb

i hate that new paper bead, put that old bead on and i will pop some mud .

TooledUp

Corner flex tape is pretty much the standard over here. It has to be stuck on with fast set compound otherwise the paper edges don't dry flat to the wall and it takes forever to dry.

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NH Drywall

Love the No Coat paper bead! I use it everywhere I can- Easy to apply with the tools (mud applicator accessory for the apla-tech cannon) and Easy to coat using the bead coaters on the box (MUCH less fill than metal beads!) Also- NO call backs! that no-coat bead can withstand a beating and a 1/2... We do mostly large volumes of apartments, ski condo's and resorts- With all the furniture that goes into them we've cut our call backs for broken/dented and cracked bead down to nearly nothing! One of the best things about it is long soffit work- No need to spend time dropping chock lines or splicing beads together.. mud it up, stick them on and roll it - it follows the framing and sheetrock perfectly! Great stuff!

silverstilts

Tape on paper face is the way to go , metal takes to long to put on even with an air stapler ,, as far as mudding them I have used the apla tech system which is extremely fast but also messy , i have used the applicators in which you pull the beads through its OK but still messy , i ended up just applying mud on the outside corners by hand now and just run my bead on by hand without the roller ,,, it goes fast especially if one guy works tops and the other bottoms... and yes they are strong . I make sure to use the B-1 super wide not flimsy and will not pucker out like some of the cheaper bead , by hand wiping them you can get them more flat and less fill .

Muddauber

silverstilts,
What is B-1 super wide?