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Old 09-26-2011, 09:43 PM   #41
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I'm not scared of the butt joint.
The butt joint Is scared of me.......... Oh ..look here he comes with another bucket of mud ......Oh please...no moore..

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I apoligize for the above mentioned comment on the clothes of the emporor.

It seems to me,,, being an old goat and all,,,,,,

WHY are so many serious drywallers stressing over flat butt joints??????

I guess after you learn how to make em flat,,,, you forget that many folks still struggle with the issue.

Heck,,, I'm gonna get me another beer,,,, you'll argue over butts,,,,,

just be nice children!!!!!!!
For me it is not that I stress over Butts. So far I find using the rebat mate makes the heaps quicker to coat. You just treat them like a flat because that what they become. So for me if you can get a great result "QUICKER" thats a win.
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Here's a video on how drywall is made, so put your thinking cap on.

And I hope your not a cowboy from Montana Slim, you won't like their last comment

so don't hire a good ole boy is the key to that vid
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For me it is not that I stress over Butts. So far I find using the rebat mate makes the heaps quicker to coat. You just treat them like a flat because that what they become. So for me if you can get a great result "QUICKER" thats a win.
I said it on another DWT site before. That tool could be ok for the independent drywall contractor that does it all. And if I remember right , I think you said you do it all. So if it helps you save and or make more $$$$ go for it. But I think a lot of guys on here do sub work for larger DWC's , which is what I do 90% of the time. So here's a example of a conversation I had with the Big boss of the Drywall company I now work for.

I asked if they ever thought about using glue to install the drywall before, he said yes, he and some of the builders approached the drywallers/boarders/rockers/gibbers/hangers about doing it,and all they got was this

Now imagine if they said they had to "NOW" bevell the butts,,,,, and they say us tapers are the whiners
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Anyone who would put a little extra effort in by rebating all the butts shows their work ethics, and I would be telling builders use that guy..... because he gives a F#ck.
Butts aren't too bigger deal if the frame is straight but if there were no butts at all I would be a happy man.
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Anyone who would put a little extra effort in by rebating all the butts shows their work ethics, and I would be telling builders use that guy..... because he gives a F#ck.
Butts aren't too bigger deal if the frame is straight but if there were no butts at all I would be a happy man.
That makes too of us, Imagine just being able to box a butt like a tapered flat, Awsome, The problem i most have with butts is 50% of them are screwed up, Most builders here just do not get how to set one up and backblock it so guess who get the honour then, Yeah im the mug climbing up into the ceiling space moving batts etc backblocking and setting them up, All they do is put a sheet up, Put a swirl of wallboard glue on a backblock piece of board, put that up, then fit the next ceiling sheet, That does nothing. Thats what they do to some walls as well, If they could run a batten, Do the rebate mate, then fit the sheets i think they just might understand that???? Maybe????? If they do actually understand how to do it then they shove the butt up so far it takes so much mud and coats its crazy Or even those butt boards would be great, PLEASE send some to NZ, PLEASE,HELP,SOS,MAYDAY.
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To re-iterate an technique that is ALWAYS ignored.

I carry a small power planer in my tool box. If I want a recessed butt joint,, i just run the planer up it a time or two, till its LESS than level with the adjoining studs. Takes like 3 minutes, makes a perfect "single" butt joint, EVERYTIME.

You don't have to buy or use special wierd stuff to get a butt joint flat.

nuff said.
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To re-iterate an technique that is ALWAYS ignored.

I carry a small power planer in my tool box. If I want a recessed butt joint,, i just run the planer up it a time or two, till its LESS than level with the adjoining studs. Takes like 3 minutes, makes a perfect "single" butt joint, EVERYTIME.

You don't have to buy or use special wierd stuff to get a butt joint flat.

nuff said.
To my eye, that's all the Rebate Mate is.just has a guide or something to keep it under the face paper.
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I asked if they ever thought about using glue to install the drywall before, he said yes, he and some of the builders approached the drywallers/boarders/rockers/gibbers/hangers about doing it,and all they got was this



That's a shame.
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To my eye, that's all the Rebate Mate is.just has a guide or something to keep it under the face paper.
Say what?????

I'm talking about facing the stud,,, not the drywall.
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I asked if they ever thought about using glue to install the drywall before, he said yes, he and some of the builders approached the drywallers/boarders/rockers/gibbers/hangers about doing it,and all they got was this



That's a shame.
Don't look know, but your hangers forgot to screw the walls off !!!!!
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Say what?????

I'm talking about facing the stud,,, not the drywall.
LOL sorry Capt, my bad!
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''Or even those butt boards would be great, PLEASE send some to NZ, PLEASE,HELP,SOS,MAYDAY.''


They work pretty,,pretty,,good gazna ....
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To re-iterate an technique that is ALWAYS ignored.

I carry a small power planer in my tool box. If I want a recessed butt joint,, i just run the planer up it a time or two, till its LESS than level with the adjoining studs. Takes like 3 minutes, makes a perfect "single" butt joint, EVERYTIME.

You don't have to buy or use special wierd stuff to get a butt joint flat.

nuff said.
Bingo! thats the quickest best way to do it. There is no need to try and reinvent the trade every 5 minutes.
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Bingo! thats the quickest best way to do it. There is no need to try and reinvent the trade every 5 minutes.
Yes it is, but there are some of us that live in colder climates where there is poly/plastic on all of the exterior walls and ceilings. So other methods half to be implemented there, for those that want to recess their butts.
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Yes it is, but there are some of us that live in colder climates where there is poly/plastic on all of the exterior walls and ceilings. So other methods half to be implemented there, for those that want to recess their butts.
Funny bout that,,,, we used to see plastic on the walls alot here too, back in like the late 70's. They gave it up tho after they figured out that it creates a water problem. If your gonna use a product the traps water, either in or out, you are asking for problems. The house needs to be sealed, and the walls need to "breathe". Right or wrong,,, thats the way it is.

PS, in the them days, we would just knife the plastic, dress the stud, and then hang the board. I know,,, I ain't right, okay???? Truth is, most of the time we would just strip the plastic and throw it in the dumpster,,, seeing as they balled it all up in the corner and left about 4" hanging over all the edges. Yes we had Mexican insulators even back then,,,, but dern, wern't they quick !!!!!!!
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Funny bout that,,,, we used to see plastic on the walls alot here too, back in like the late 70's. They gave it up tho after they figured out that it creates a water problem. If your gonna use a product the traps water, either in or out, you are asking for problems. The house needs to be sealed, and the walls need to "breathe". Right or wrong,,, thats the way it is.

PS, in the them days, we would just knife the plastic, dress the stud, and then hang the board. I know,,, I ain't right, okay???? Truth is, most of the time we would just strip the plastic and throw it in the dumpster,,, seeing as they balled it all up in the corner and left about 4" hanging over all the edges. Yes we had Mexican insulators even back then,,,, but dern, wern't they quick !!!!!!!
Two different countries and climates, here's a little link to look at, http://www.pima.org/contentpage/Cont...leID=90#canada
You don't half to read it, But you will get the idea with the map.

Up here in the winter wonderland, where santa lives, The poly is more about acting as one part wind breaker and one part heat containment. I have lived in old farm houses (and one right now) where on a cold WINDY day, you could stick a news paper against the interior of a wall, and watch the wind move the paper. We need poly here in Canuck land. And trust me, There have many codes on how it's done and how to avoid moisture issues. I could bore you with the details, but I won't
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Well I have been using the rebate mate for about three months now so I thought that I would give let everyone know how it is going. I know that some of you blokes thought that it was a waste of time but I am sold. I have never had a problem getting flat butts, but using this tool it has never been so quick and easy. prefill, tape, skim, (because the rebate is fairly deep so you get a bit of shrinkage) 8" box, 10" box. As I have said we do the whole job from rocking to sand so it fits our system. here are some pics.
1: Prefilled rebate.
2: Taped.
3: 14" trowel on the finished joint.
I know that it wont rock everyones boat but it has made my life easier.
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Give all of us an estimate of time saved on an overall job. hanging and finishing lets say a house with 40 butt joints.Or just the actual time it takes to rebate butt joint on a jobsite.
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Give all of us an estimate of time saved on an overall job. hanging and finishing lets say a house with 40 butt joints.Or just the actual time it takes to rebate butt joint on a jobsite.
Also, in addition to time running the rebate-mate, could you give some details on how you run the rebate? What kind of set-up does the sheet require? And then you have to move it and let the glue dry, right?

So you have to:
  • set the sheet up for use with the tool (?? minutes)
  • use the tool (?? minutes)
  • glue the rebate (?? minutes)
  • move sheet and wait for rebate to "cure" (?? minutes)

I can see this saving time on the finishing end, but you still have to coat the butt joint. Granted, my butt joints are never "flat"........
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