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JCardoza · 01-23-2008, 03:11 PM

What kinds of sprayers have you guys tried? I started with a roller and hopper, went to Graco compact, then homemade on a 50 gallon drum, spray king 40 gal., tried a Kodiak, now own a 250 Gal AST trailer mount rig.

tburritt · 01-23-2008, 09:03 PM

I'm currently using the Grayco compact spray machine w/25' hose. It seams to work great on the smaller jobs but when I have larger areas to do I call by buddy in to bring the truck!

JCardoza · 02-12-2008, 05:02 PM

I just bought a used Kodiak sprayer to add to my collection! Anyone need a sprayer? LOL I now have a graco compact, a 55 gallon homemade upgrade, a sprayking 40 Gallon rotorstator sprayer, a Kodiak, and my 250 Gallon AST spray rig... That's besides my collection of hoppers and mini spray guns. LOL I should start a museum!

Muddauber · 02-14-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JCardoza

I just bought a used Kodiak sprayer to add to my collection! Anyone need a sprayer? LOL I now have a graco compact, a 55 gallon homemade upgrade, a sprayking 40 Gallon rotorstator sprayer, a Kodiak, and my 250 Gallon AST spray rig... That's besides my collection of hoppers and mini spray guns. LOL I should start a museum!

Hey,if you looking for museum relics,I have an old 1984 Spray Force Super Texan.I still remember what I paid for it.The price was$1905.00

It paid for itself many times over.

JCardoza · 03-02-2008, 11:32 PM

wow you got it for $1905?!?!? LOL prices have gone up a little I think!

mollie27 · 03-06-2008, 02:27 PM

Here's something you wont find on ebay:

mollie27 · 03-06-2008, 03:28 PM

Sorry folks I'm new here. I needed 5000 ft sprayed and my spray guy was out of town. I slapped this gun togather and used a diaphram pump ona 35 gal barrel.

A four wheel dolly and 15' of garden hose. I was amazed at how well it worked. I did use 2 compressers to help with dialing it in. It now doubles as a washout barrel in my garage. It's cold up in these thar hills. Only spent about $200 plus acs. It's better than a hopper but no spray rig. It has typical diaphram pump issues.

Drywall1 · 03-06-2008, 09:18 PM

Thats awesome!

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Originally Posted by mollie27

Sorry folks I'm new here. I needed 5000 ft sprayed and my spray guy was out of town. I slapped this gun togather and used a diaphram pump ona 35 gal barrel.

A four wheel dolly and 15' of garden hose. I was amazed at how well it worked. I did use 2 compressers to help with dialing it in. It now doubles as a washout barrel in my garage. It's cold up in these thar hills. Only spent about $200 plus acs. It's better than a hopper but no spray rig. It has typical diaphram pump issues.

1wallboardsman · 03-07-2008, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mollie27

Sorry folks I'm new here. I needed 5000 ft sprayed and my spray guy was out of town. I slapped this gun togather and used a diaphram pump ona 35 gal barrel.

A four wheel dolly and 15' of garden hose. I was amazed at how well it worked. I did use 2 compressers to help with dialing it in. It now doubles as a washout barrel in my garage. It's cold up in these thar hills. Only spent about $200 plus acs. It's better than a hopper but no spray rig. It has typical diaphram pump issues.

What are the diaphram pump issues?

mollie27 · 03-07-2008, 12:30 PM

Surging material flow is the biggest problem. Hose diameter and length along with material viscosity are the primary variables. By design the pump has a pressure relief spot when pressurizing from one side to the other. I can elaborate but will have to think about that a bit. Having a long, large diameter hose helps even out the flow. Or Flo, however surging may still occur. Stator tube pumps (spray rig, Kodiak) give you a constant flow, regardless of hose size and length. I have heard good things about the RTX 1500 peristaltic pump. Another thing that helps even flow is th use of the fan spray tip extension made by Graco or Benron. The fine thread one fit right on my preying mantis hopper pistol. Being able to adjust the mud thickness in the barrel and using a dedicated compressor for the pump make it more user friendly that the manufactured units.

1wallboardsman · 03-08-2008, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mollie27

Surging material flow is the biggest problem. Hose diameter and length along with material viscosity are the primary variables. By design the pump has a pressure relief spot when pressurizing from one side to the other. I can elaborate but will have to think about that a bit. Having a long, large diameter hose helps even out the flow. Or Flo, however surging may still occur. Stator tube pumps (spray rig, Kodiak) give you a constant flow, regardless of hose size and length. I have heard good things about the RTX 1500 peristaltic pump. Another thing that helps even flow is th use of the fan spray tip extension made by Graco or Benron. The fine thread one fit right on my preying mantis hopper pistol. Being able to adjust the mud thickness in the barrel and using a dedicated compressor for the pump make it more user friendly that the manufactured units.

This was my original Whipass rig that I built in 2000:

It used a 1" diaphram pump, and had a capacity of $1,500 per day with a helper. I did have a surge problem with a 1 1/2" inch pump that I had on it for a short time.

Back when gas was only $1.00 a gallon hauling 150 gallons + 20 bags of texture around wasn't any big deal. Then in 2005, I thought that even more mobility was in demand, so I returned to the root of the whole Whipass idea. Which was the most production for the least money, because a spray rig needs to do more then just spray. It needs to whip ass, because if spraying isn't done whipass fast, it's just no good. Ask any trim man.

So I downsized the rig a little bit, and found that I still had the same capacity because the dynamics of getting from one job to the other could also change with the tank size.

Material seems to flow very evenly through 75' of 3/4" hose at various thicknesses. 50' of 1" hose, and 25' of 3/4" gives a little more pressure at the gun for those real whipass occasions.

jdl

mollie27 · 03-08-2008, 05:23 PM

What kind of pump did you use on your second rig?

1wallboardsman · 03-09-2008, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mollie27

What kind of pump did you use on your second rig?

I believe the brand was Champion, it was heavier, and not as steady as the Grayco 1040. The 1040 is the best all around that I have used.
jdl

JCardoza · 03-19-2008, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1wallboardsman

This was my original Whipass rig that I built in 2000:

It used a 1" diaphram pump, and had a capacity of $1,500 per day with a helper. I did have a surge problem with a 1 1/2" inch pump that I had on it for a short time.

Back when gas was only $1.00 a gallon hauling 150 gallons + 20 bags of texture around wasn't any big deal. Then in 2005, I thought that even more mobility was in demand, so I returned to the root of the whole Whipass idea. Which was the most production for the least money, because a spray rig needs to do more then just spray. It needs to whip ass, because if spraying isn't done whipass fast, it's just no good. Ask any trim man.

So I downsized the rig a little bit, and found that I still had the same capacity because the dynamics of getting from one job to the other could also change with the tank size.

Material seems to flow very evenly through 75' of 3/4" hose at various thicknesses. 50' of 1" hose, and 25' of 3/4" gives a little more pressure at the gun for those real whipass occasions.

jdl

I like it! LOL nice work! I like the modified spraying mantis hopper modified as a spray gun too. I did that once when my graco gun broke I half.

1wallboardsman · 03-20-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JCardoza

I like it! LOL nice work! I like the modified spraying mantis hopper modified as a spray gun too. I did that once when my graco gun broke I half.

Hey J,

That gun is the Goldblatt Diana hopper/gun. It comes with the fittings to convert it to a pump gun and a rock kit for spraying abrasive materials. The gun is Lifetime warranty and the whole setup is around $80.

jdl

MudSlinger777 · 10-31-2008, 04:55 PM

I have a graco 1500 and I love that thing. If work dont pick up here in cali its going up 4 sale lol

1wallboardsman · 12-31-2008, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1wallboardsman

This was my original Whipass rig that I built in 2000:

It used a 1" diaphram pump, and had a capacity of $1,500 per day with a helper. I did have a surge problem with a 1 1/2" inch pump that I had on it for a short time.

jdl

This one is for sale in Atlanta, after being stored in a warehouse for 4 years. I repainted everything, it includes a pole gun and a Binks, 150' hose. Take it wih any 8' bed pickup truck, $1,200. The electric re-wind hose reel cost $1,165 new, and the compressor is 26.1 C.F.M. at 175 PSI, that is plenty to run circles around a painter spraying first coat with an airless too.

jdl

muddymen · 03-04-2009, 12:12 PM

I just bought the "Enforcer" by Marshallttown, don't know how it works yet all the guys around here love the thing and we have always used the hand held hopper guns even on 80 room hotels, so this should help out the back,shoulders,and arms a little.

brdn_drywall · 03-04-2009, 07:13 PM

i had the luxury of try before you buy with the enforcer and would be a good investment if you do alot of small jobs but that thing is a pain to fill up and adds more time to larger jobs for that reason the bad thing is the thing looks so damn sick and impressive in design that you almost have to have it.
i think marshalltown will work the bugs out in a few years and i'll buy it then.

A+ Texture LLC · 03-10-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by muddymen

I just bought the "Enforcer" by Marshallttown, don't know how it works yet all the guys around here love the thing and we have always used the hand held hopper guns even on 80 room hotels, so this should help out the back,shoulders,and arms a little.

Thats absoludacris

. Graco has a small spray machine for like 500 or 600 bucks. I'd try that before using a hopper that long.

01-23-2008, 03:11 PM	#1
JCardoza Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 63	Sprayers What kinds of sprayers have you guys tried? I started with a roller and hopper, went to Graco compact, then homemade on a 50 gallon drum, spray king 40 gal., tried a Kodiak, now own a 250 Gal AST trailer mount rig.

01-23-2008, 09:03 PM	#2
tburritt Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 8	I'm currently using the Grayco compact spray machine w/25' hose. It seams to work great on the smaller jobs but when I have larger areas to do I call by buddy in to bring the truck! __________________ A small fish in a big pond making a difference one job at a time! http://www.jwbservicesinc.com

03-06-2008, 02:27 PM	#6
mollie27 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Oregon Posts: 4	Please don't Laugh Here's something you wont find on ebay: Last edited by mollie27; 03-06-2008 at 02:30 PM.

03-06-2008, 03:28 PM	#7
mollie27 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Oregon Posts: 4	The rest of my post Sorry folks I'm new here. I needed 5000 ft sprayed and my spray guy was out of town. I slapped this gun togather and used a diaphram pump ona 35 gal barrel. A four wheel dolly and 15' of garden hose. I was amazed at how well it worked. I did use 2 compressers to help with dialing it in. It now doubles as a washout barrel in my garage. It's cold up in these thar hills. Only spent about $200 plus acs. It's better than a hopper but no spray rig. It has typical diaphram pump issues.

03-07-2008, 12:30 PM	#10
mollie27 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Oregon Posts: 4	diaphram pump issues Surging material flow is the biggest problem. Hose diameter and length along with material viscosity are the primary variables. By design the pump has a pressure relief spot when pressurizing from one side to the other. I can elaborate but will have to think about that a bit. Having a long, large diameter hose helps even out the flow. Or Flo, however surging may still occur. Stator tube pumps (spray rig, Kodiak) give you a constant flow, regardless of hose size and length. I have heard good things about the RTX 1500 peristaltic pump. Another thing that helps even flow is th use of the fan spray tip extension made by Graco or Benron. The fine thread one fit right on my preying mantis hopper pistol. Being able to adjust the mud thickness in the barrel and using a dedicated compressor for the pump make it more user friendly that the manufactured units.

02-12-2008, 05:02 PM	#3
JCardoza Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 63	I just bought a used Kodiak sprayer to add to my collection! Anyone need a sprayer? LOL I now have a graco compact, a 55 gallon homemade upgrade, a sprayking 40 Gallon rotorstator sprayer, a Kodiak, and my 250 Gallon AST spray rig... That's besides my collection of hoppers and mini spray guns. LOL I should start a museum!

03-02-2008, 11:32 PM	#5
JCardoza Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 63	wow you got it for $1905?!?!? LOL prices have gone up a little I think!

03-08-2008, 05:23 PM	#12
mollie27 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Oregon Posts: 4	What kind of pump did you use on your second rig?

10-31-2008, 04:55 PM	#16
MudSlinger777 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: California Posts: 4	I have a graco 1500 and I love that thing. If work dont pick up here in cali its going up 4 sale lol

03-04-2009, 12:12 PM	#18
muddymen Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbia,MO. Posts: 44	I just bought the "Enforcer" by Marshallttown, don't know how it works yet all the guys around here love the thing and we have always used the hand held hopper guns even on 80 room hotels, so this should help out the back,shoulders,and arms a little.

03-04-2009, 07:13 PM	#19
brdn_drywall Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: brandon manitoba canada Posts: 200	i had the luxury of try before you buy with the enforcer and would be a good investment if you do alot of small jobs but that thing is a pain to fill up and adds more time to larger jobs for that reason the bad thing is the thing looks so damn sick and impressive in design that you almost have to have it. i think marshalltown will work the bugs out in a few years and i'll buy it then.

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