Priming and Texture

eastex1963

"buzzard off a turd hearse"...LMAO...that's too funny!! still laughing!

Kinda just to chime in here.... I still use a hopper...(guess I'm old fashioned). Anyways, that's what my dad taught me on...still use one. I've looked into getting a spray rig, but like you guys said...takes two years to learn to run, breaks down, etc. etc...The spray setup I have now is approx. 15 yrs. old...used it today. Still going strong..Knock on wood! It'll probably blow up tomorrow now that I've bragged on it. lol.

Whitey97

Believe me, if you put the hopper down and get a decent sized rig, you will never look back. I haven't and I just got a rtx 1500 a short while ago. f'n love it. So much, I tend to dance while using it I'm so happy

Custom Drywall Svc.

yea rigs are great.

all depends obviously on the size of work you do, whether an investment into a rig would be justified.

g--ddamn thing does break down at the worst of times though, sigh.

we had a job a year ago, in the freakin mountains.......im talkin normally, a TWO hour drive up a hill......

can you imagine how long this trip was with a spray rig FULL of mud because we couldnt mix on-site?

yea....about 3-3.5 hrs.......sigh.


and yea, of course....we finally arive to the job, and the rig breaks down before my guys even finish ONE FKKN BEDROOM.......

sigh, times like this are so fkked.........you cant help but laugh, hahahha.

A+ Texture LLC

I got one not too long ago and my tips including the fine finished tips got to the trash I think. I was so frikkin bummed. At least I got the one that was on the gun. I can still do a good heavier orange peel or knockdown.

BIGHAWKMONTANA

Has anyone ever changed a stator tube on a Kodiak? Any tips?

Darren@Partners

PM me and will try to walk you through it on the phone.

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BIGHAWKMONTANA

Thanks DP... I'm waiting for the part, if I have any snags I'll give you call.

Appreciate the reply.

Whitey97

Big Hawk, How's biz out in the mnts? It still looked like they were building there last time I was out. (we have a place in Ennis)

BIGHAWKMONTANA

The housing has slowed... fair amout of small commercial work though...

tvo

I always prime and then texture,i do not put a box of mud on 4*8 of rock, just a light spatter nice and even and knoke it down,so i have to prime to hide the tapied lines,so i prime,spatter,knoke down and it's done, everything done, looks nice and white you don't have to do anything esle!! make sure it's dry when you look at the finish takes a while to turn white!!!!!!!!!!

JCardoza

I quit spraying a year ago when things started going downhill. Sold out most of my tools but kept my spray rigs. Rent my main trailer mount rig out for $25 per running hour. I'd charge more, but I rent it to my Dad who loaned me the cash to buy it when things were booming. I've made a few grand or so on it this year without lifting a finger. Kinda nice.

Anyway, before I quit, I started double spraying all my spray knock down texture. I'd run thru a floor of condos and shoot a light orange peel, then turn around and spray it again with a medium knockdown. It helped get rid of the joint flashing problems that come when you are rushing a knockdown in extreme temperatures. It's a tighter texture than a regular knockdown and covers more. Its great as long as you like the look. Went from high stress to a worry free texture easily. I was able to charge more for it besides. There is nothing like taking your time with thick mud and good temperatures, but when you have a half day to spray 40,000 feet with a helper and they want it perfect... Double spray makes life so much easier. If only I had found a better way to lug several hundred pounds of hose up several floors....

Wow, I'm missing the good old spray days.... Oh well. Back to plaster remodel in the morning.

Oh, as far as prices, I used to sand, mask, texture (stomp kd lids, Orange peel walls or KD & KD), and a full clean up for .05 a Sq Ft of drywall. I could only dream of charging .30 for a spray texture....

Custom Drywall Svc.

good to hear, i make this standard practice for my spray guy as well whenever we can.

same thing as you practically, spray a few rooms light, let them dry a bit, then come back w/ another light - medium spray.

reason we do this is not necessarily to specifically avoid joint flashing, although it doesnt hurt, but it just overall hides any tiny imperfections.

what i cant stand when i see competitors spray textures, is how LIGHT they spray it sometimes.....doesnt make any sense unless the owner/builder specifically requests a 'fine spray.'

i always prefer a 'double-spray' simply because it makes the texture 'stronger.'

JCardoza

Most of the reason the mid range drywall guys like to spray a fine texture is because their Graco compact sprayer (or equivalent) can't handle thick mud. Then once a guy gets used to fine light textures, everything else seems to heavy. Been there. Done that.

dawes11

Or maybe thats what the customer wants in their upscale homes. In Seattle light is what we spray, even apartments request the light. If you do good finish work there is no reason to double spray or kd the walls and lids. We don't do acoustic, skip trowel, or knockdown up here unless its a remodel. Been there. Done that, about 15+ years ago. Yes I own 2 sprayforce trailer mounted rigs, not a graco compact (or equivalent) and I am running at 84% of where I was 2 years ago so obviously people like my light texture and my guys good finish work

Custom Drywall Svc.

well, haha.....

whatever i said above, is still assuming that the finishing is of good quality. we do a standard quality level 4 finish...

in other words, im not coming from the angle of 'hey, spray heavy, double spray, or add a knockdown because my finishers are terrible" -- no, not at all.

again, UNLESS REQUESTED by the customer/builder.........i see no benefit whatsoever to spray 'light.'

i SEE where you are coming from however....meaning, there MAY be other ppl on here who spray heavy standard to cover up shoddy finishing....

but again, not my company at least....i dont even think JCardoza is implying that.

you gotta understand, i cant help but get a BIT offended by the way your post reads off the screen....

again, the way it READS off the screen, not saying ur true intention is to sound condescending, but you know how words and views can get mixed on the good ol' internet!

nonetheless, i know you mean well, and i agree with you either way.

dawes11

I understand where you are coming from and respect your opinion and appreciate your reply. I just get tired of people on here complaining about its stupid to spray lite, its stupid to prime, and on and on. What I understand and I think you do too is that each market is different and when I got to bid jobs I know what my competition will inlcude in there bid, and I have to inlcude in mine. Up here everyone primes before texture and anything new gets sprayed real light. If I go in and whine about priming or spray it heavy then I won't get the next job. I love when people argue about how there is no money to do it the way I do, I dont get on here and tell the guy in the mid-west or east coast that there way is wrong to spray some kd and not prime first and theres no money in it that way, cause I have no clue what they get for $$ out there. I understand thats the standard in their market. Alot of the posters on here are know it alls and thats fine, just know that you don't know whats going on everywhere. And on we continue

silverstilts

Instead of priming before textures has anyone just sprayed mud on the board using and airless ? I would think it would decrease the setting time for knock down and could be an issue , but possibly give you a better finish and prevent possible flashing . Myself I do not prime ,( have not had flashing or tape line issues ) but if I was I think I would use or at least try this method . I would think doing it this way would create a uniform base for knock down and would think the mud would bond much better with itself rather than bonding onto paint / primer . What are your takes guys ? Cost is also cut down big time with material .

A+ Texture LLC

When doing remodels I'll be shooting texture and have my help knock down right behind me, but I always wanna rip the knife out of their hands cuz they're dilly dallying or just not doing it "right". I see what your getting at silver and I've contemplated that if someone wants to take the time to prime and entire house, not to mention the cost. Why not take the airless sprayer and just spray water thru it right on the seams. Not too much just enough to make it slightly damp. Then shoot texture on it immediatly. Of course you wouldn't want to over do it but it would take less time and money then priming with the same result. Other then just shooting and knocking down right away.

silverstilts

I agree I can not stand by when my guys dilly dally either . Sometimes i think I can spray out and do the knockdown just as fast myself and it is done my way ... I have one guy that pulls one direction across the room then pulls the outer edges out thereby showing a different pull on the texture . Of coarse I have told him umpteen times not to do it , but he says no one will notice , I told him I do and that's all that matters ... I like to pull one way the when done with the room cross perpendicular therefore you make sure not to leave any ridges or miss anything and it is fast to do... when i spray also it drive me f-n nuts if i have to stop to mix up , come on two wipe down guys and I still have to mix , christ I remember mixing and cutting while another was spraying just have to have a little bounce in your ass to do it ...

silverstilts

I never thought of just spraying water up there to moisten to slow down the drying process , don't really know if i would try it unless i absolutely had to . Many times when it is cool outside such as late fall thru spring I will cool down the job by opening windows so it cools down the rock it really helps . My earlier point was to spray super thin down mud on with the airless let dry overnight then text ... I would think that this would create a good base and would be a cheap way of doing it so everything would look uniform after the knock down .