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silverstilts

OH MY, do we have some feathers ruffled ? Don't be a schmuck.. I as a well seasoned and successful drywall contractor I will let that one slide without getting to upset . But at .10 I doubt that you make $100.00 per hour. or at least for very long unless you have an awful big sprayer and you run it steady 8-10 hrs a day.... Yes I do have equipment more than you can imagine , I have more equipment than most larger companies so PLEASE don't talk about something you know nothing about..... and as far as the .30 per ft that is not ripping off anyone , a 2000 sq. ft. home an add on of $600.00 for the extra labor and material , not to mention my profit ,(I won't tell you how much an hour I make ) where do you get off . Do you know how to turn a buck ? Some of us do it with ease and , for most it is a struggle from day to day . I take in no less than $1500.00 per day (that is the very least ) so i do very well for myself..Can you say the same ? and be honest now average out the last 10 years or so and see if you can do that. But than again my be that you don't have 10 years behind you yet , me I could go back over 30 years .

rckslash2010

I think it's bull**** that people make more shooting a ceiling then I make hanging it. A little sanding, shoot the **** up there, wipe it down. I suppose it's a specialty thing, like nobody else in town can do it. " I've got a $5000 sprayer" so what, I've seen people use just a hopper and an air compressor and it turns out just as good, so you can't use the equipment expense as an excuse. Good day,

silverstilts

Someone call the wambulance , sure it's a specialty but not all can just pick up a sprayer and texture there is more too it than that. and personally I believe that you will never get or it will turn out just as good by spraying with a hopper and air compressor (maybe for a quick repair) not only that it takes forever to spray with just a hopper. If you are unhappy with the money you make hanging change your occupation ...You have a good day.

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We only use hoppers for small to midsizes patches for a reason. if the area is big enough, i haul in our spray rig. even though i do not like to do this if it is unnecessary, the texture always turns out much better and more even. i find the hopper is too aerated, makes the texture tend to have a more 'bubbly' look, which i do not like.

this is from the hopper i have at least.

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well, i dont think its THAT 'black and white'........no, its not as simple as a little sanding.

every single case is different. and honestly , this is the very reason why a lot of claims and pricing gets taken the wrong way on here i feel........we are all merely reading this, not actually in front of the job at hand.

dawes11

I think that there is a confusion on square footage charges here. Im thinking alltex meant .10 a board foot and silver stilts obviously means .30 a square foot of floor space. I work in Wa state and to tell you the truth it has become a standard practice to prime before texture. On a average say 200 sheet house it takes less than a hour to prime and about $150.00 in materials, at a nickel a foot extra priming pays $480.00. Then its a nickel to texture also. Now these prices are never broken down to the gc or owner, this is just for you guys. It is figured in the overall price that is submitted, again not broken down for them. For me its pretty easy, I have to mask before texture anyway, so it takes an extra hour and a little material, you make a few hundred more dollars. When we submit a bid it never had footages and prices for each on it, just cost to supply, install, scrap, tape and finish, mask, prime and tex as one lump figure. The no-coat and corner bead are broke out as extras, but thats it. Hopefully I didnt ramble to long for you guys.

silverstilts

There is no confusion I know full well what was meant by Sq. (board FT) Board Ft for your information is something used to calculate the total sq ft in lumber , for instance a 2"x4'x8' is 5.33 board ft ,, sheet rock is somewhat based on per thousand also but yet different thickness isn't figured into it , that set aside , there is still no way at .05 for primer that it is going to make you any money , I would like to see that prime job you do in an hour of 200 sheets. myself i don't think it can be done that is with any quality ... Is that back rolled also or are you just fogging in the walls and ceilings ? You were correct .30 on textures on all footage I used a 2000' ceiling only as an example did not include walls if I had the price would have been more like $2400 to spray all the walls also , and No way would i have included any prime coat prior because that again is a waist of time and material the primer alone would run closer to 700-800 not no $150.00 what kinda watered down primer are you using anyway ? Prime coat should go for no less than $1600.00 for that 2000 sg ft home.

dawes11

Wow, sorry I even talked and get slammed, I was just trying to clarify and calm the waters. The primer i use costs us $5.50 a gallon up here from parker paint. $27.50 a 5 gallon bucket and we spray about 40 sheets a 5. I use a graco ultra 625 sprayer with a 5 .19 or .21 tip and just blow it on solid white. It is a good primer, the same one the painters use afterwords, but regardless it would be just over $150.00 in materials and an hour to spray. We don't backroll, cause like you said it is a waste of time to prime before hand, but the builder wants to see white walls and if it makes extra money who cares. I might not have your 30+ years of experience, but I have 16+ and thats enough to know what I need to and how to make money. The only time we don't prime before hand is smoothwall,l commercial, and knockdown, wich is so old school we dont spray unless its a addition where the rest of the house has it. I'm sorry that you get so fired up about people having different techniques than you and different terminology, but again we are in different areas of the country and stuff is done and said, and bid different.
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Whitey97

I don't like bull-nose bead. I just don't think it looks as clean as 90's

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yea, to each his own.

although, my personal tastes are more clean and modern....so i definitely prefer square.

either that, or baby bullnose (1/2" radius).

the 3/4" round corner bullnose is gettin played out if you ask me :P

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I think .30 is fair, think about it.. Many drywall jobs end at texture. So if a painter is gonna come in and prime and paint and charge lets say .60 - $1.00 for each coat, (one of primer and one of whatever) whats wrong with charging .30?

dawes11

.30 is fine, its just each area has a different market and up here you dont get .30 a foot. Yeah I can be the guy to argue with the gc or I can be working and still make plenty of money.
As for the bullnose I do like the baby bull but it seems on the high end everyone is going back to square. In the 90's the bullnose caught on at the track home level, where they would have us bullnose the formal areas and then square the rest. It was stupid, and now they have moved to full bullnose the house and every starter home comes with bullnose. I love when people spend 300k on a starter home and I go over they always have to show me their "round corners".

Darren@Partners

Yep, .30 per floor foot works out to .075 cent a board foot for KD. I figure .08 on KD and .05 - .06 on acoustic. I haven't done a house in acoustic since last summer.

And to Rockslash, my spray rig cost $23,500 before the truck/trailer to get it to the job. And yes, I've seen guys who own nothing more than a hopper, but know what? Those guys all need rotator cuff surgery, which I've seen done on TV, but don't think I can do it myself. It takes over 2 years to train someone to run a spray rig correctly. The variances in temp., humidity, etc, not to mention maintaining the pumps, motor, hoses, guns, tips makes the spray man a pretty special dude.

I have sprayed 50K + in a single day before, pumping 90+ boxes of mud in a ten hour day. And hung a few hundred acres of rock and I'd rather spray any day.

Old dude told me once: You hang til yer knees get bad. Then you tape til yer elbows give out. You spray til yer shoulders hurt. You sand/paint til you can't get yer breath. Then you better learn to contract. I skipped a step on the sanding and somewhat on the taping. But it does make a little sense.

On primer price: I get .60 per floor/.15 per board foot to paint out the ceilings and prime the walls, after KD. Paint out the ceilings meaning I cross-hatch with the airless and back-roll, using a pva/latex that needs no overcoat when I'm done. And you can pretty much see thru my wall prime, ready for 2 coats of color to be rolled on. With the instructions to pole sand the walls prior to color rolling.

And here in the midwest, we lag CA by about 5-7 years on what's in vogue. Bull-nose has gotten real popular last 2-3 years, everybody starting to give it up for free. Still try to get $10 per stick, but it ain't easy. Usually get about .035 extra on a good day. I push the baby bull cause the arches aren't slit, but I see Trim-Tex now has an unslit sprung arch bead in 3/4.

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no kidding man.....if HO only knew how 'unspectacular' they were........let alone how inexpensive.

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i love trim tex bead.


anyways, Darren....about the spray rig. Every company that owns one knows how freakin 'particular' a spray rig is, sigh.......i.e., its like a woman!

it need so much attention. i cant tell you how much money ive spent over the years fixing and maintaining that stupid thing. its an ongoing joke at our company, every week we go "so whats going to go wrong with the rig this week" or "on what job will this rig fu-k is over on this week?"

hahhaha.....

and you are absolutely right Darren, takes a skilled person to handle the spray rig. honestly, i only have my Foreman maintain and use it for now.

i had a super talented spray man years ago, but the SOB left to another company for 'higher wages'.......but now, that company is out of business. he tried to come crawling back, but i honestly spit in the face of unloyalty.

but at any rate, yea...the spray rig is a big investment overall. mine cost about the same Darren, 22 - 24k.

its a pain in the azz, but id be lying if i told you guys it wasnt worth it.

Darren@Partners

Yep, it paid for itself in 12 months at 5 houses per week.

But if it ain't goin' out 3-4 times a week, it's hard to justify. But since it's paid for and now trailered, it doesn't eat my lunch. Keeping up an 18' box truck ate lunch and dinner.

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man, sure feel you on that.

man, i paid my rig off in less time than that when it was booming...but im talkin yearrrrs ago when i was doing tract work.

nowadays.........damn thing is leavin the parking lot once a week, if that.

sigh.

Darren@Partners

Silver lining though....at this rate, my stator tubes last about 2 years. Still have enough extra parts to rebuild both pumps a couple more times. Used to change out the stator every third tube and saved all of 'em. I looked them over awhile back, and there is nothing wrong with using them again, none were scored up.

But opened the acoustic tank yesterday...would knock a buzzard off a turd hearse. Had to clean that out. It was vile.

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