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Old 06-24-2009, 07:00 PM   #1
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Just did a kitchen re-skim and texture. Typically I've just scuffed up the wall then hot mud it. This paint had very little sheen so I did not, I just skimmed with 45 then touch up and textured. Now I had a small window of opportunity to get this done as I had to do it on the HO's days off. That meant start on friday, well fri. got real dark and cloudy after starting then rained all day, I was already committed at that point. I shot texture at the end of the day and light was not to good so I found myself going over spots that maybe didn't need any more but I just wanted to play it safe. When I came back the next morning there was still some damp areas here and there. But in the center of the room and a couple spots here and there the texture was beggining to peel. Now it was peeling off the mud only, not texture and mud peeling off the paint. The mud seems to have fine adhesion to the wall/ceiling. So I'm triying to figure If I did something wrong or If it's the moisture issue, in combo. with spraying on fairly heavy in some spots.

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Old 06-24-2009, 08:58 PM   #2
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Was it plaster under the paint ? I've had this happen where plaster lets loose , or it could have been a cheap brand of paint that soaked up the moister and lost its bond , was there paint where it let loose ? Or being in a kitchen could it have been a greasy wall here and there that would do it for sure , that would be my guess.... are they smokers ? sometimes over years of smoking it causes adhesion problems . I don't think the mud would just let lose on its own without something causing it , very unlikely. silverstilts aka the rock doctor
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I should clarify the plaster thing if there was cheap paint ( even over sheetrock) the moister from the text and the heat from the quick set will soften the paint causing it to let go , was it in blister form or just chunks , blisters definitely would be a paint problem...or just causing the quick set to bulge out and letting go...
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It's definately drywall. And the hot mud is not peeling from the paint, the texture was peeling from the hot mud (usg ap). The hot mud seems to be fine.
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was your hot mud fully set up?
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Yup.
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Just did a kitchen re-skim and texture. Typically I've just scuffed up the wall then hot mud it. This paint had very little sheen so I did not, I just skimmed with 45 then touch up and textured. Now I had a small window of opportunity to get this done as I had to do it on the HO's days off. That meant start on friday, well fri. got real dark and cloudy after starting then rained all day, I was already committed at that point. I shot texture at the end of the day and light was not to good so I found myself going over spots that maybe didn't need any more but I just wanted to play it safe. When I came back the next morning there was still some damp areas here and there. But in the center of the room and a couple spots here and there the texture was beggining to peel. Now it was peeling off the mud only, not texture and mud peeling off the paint. The mud seems to have fine adhesion to the wall/ceiling. So I'm triying to figure If I did something wrong or If it's the moisture issue, in combo. with spraying on fairly heavy in some spots.

Honestly...my opinion...

You simply textured too quick my man, i think its simple as that. No matter how fast my guys can complete a job, i rarely (maybe never) did a retexture job in ONE work day (may have read wrong, please correct me if you took more than one day).

couple reasons why...

1. you can never play it safe enough......let that mud DRY....i dont care if its quickset or whatever......play it SAFE.

and 2. no matter how 'in and out' or easy the job is, i ALWAYS make sure to justify my price to the customers eyes.

if i charge 600 - 1200 bucks for a small clng retexture.....i damn well make sure my guy doesnt complete the job in 2-3 hrs on the first trip..........i make him texture it on the 2nd work trip.

for me at least, its hard to have my men spend 3 hours on a job....then i turn around and invoice my customer 600 - 1200 bucks....just doesnt sit well with me.

think about it from their perspective.

now, again i may be wrong as far as the circumstances in your case, and how long you spend on the job....

but bottomline, unless its a small patch/texture job.........i never 'skim' a ceiling and spray that same day...........

no offense, but just too 'shoddy'........i understand the idea of trying to get a job done in at least trips as possible, no doubt..........but i couldnt imagine skimming a clng and texturing the same day.

Again, i think you simply just needed the skim coat to 'breath' longer. from the conditions (raining outside) you described, a job like this if anything, is ideal in hot dry sunny weather......

not a damp, cloudy day.

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You may be right, in my head I was thinking way too much moisture in the air, it just didin't seem like I had too many options at the time. In the end I ended up working on it all weekend, but the day I shot we started at six in the morning and didin't shoot till probably four.
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You may be right, in my head I was thinking way too much moisture in the air, it just didin't seem like I had too many options at the time. In the end I ended up working on it all weekend, but the day I shot we started at six in the morning and didin't shoot till probably four.

Yea A+....simple as that.

And the only way i can preach that, is i MYSELF have learned the hard way, hahahha...

a couple of handful of times man in the past, it never ceases to fail me....

i do a 'simple' skim/re-texture job that i THINK i can finish in one 8 hr work day.....and it always ends up biting me in the azz, then going BACK to repair the work, i end up breaking even on the job -- which always sucks.

Theres gonna be a lot of diagnosing of 'what went wrong' on your job, just like you see above from the usual drywall talk crowd.......and VERY WELL, it could be a product defect or whatever, im not saying those guys above me are wrong...

but a lot of problems ive endured in the past in terms of drywall issues, at least 80% of them can be attributable to simply rushing the finishing work......
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I agree with Custom on rushing a re-tex. I still do a one-day job once in a while, being darn sure to get that hot mud to dry well first. I also believe the hot mud has more to do with it. I've seen acoustic texture fall off the ceiling when shot over a rush hot-mud job before.

That said, I'd also never do anything to a kitchen surface without first cutting the grease with TSP or similar product.
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