Need to vent and get idea's for knockdown

Whitey97

Alright, so I did knockdown on a new builders home. Everything looked great prior to paint. Normally I get the paint, at least the priming, I didn't on this one. Well, the painters came in, and I told them, "if you're going to do these ceilings please backroll, as to not leave shadowing and lap marks" well guess what? Those morons came in with their wonderful experiance and the great product of SW's CHB (sh!t paint) and now there's exactly what I was afraid of. Now the builder is pointing their finger at me, and the painters has already f'd it up. Today I get a call from the builder, "the painter sprayed SW 200 (over priced sh!t paint) and it's still there and I'm not signing off on payment, and you can't start the next house till this is figured out!"

Those of you who are painters/tapers, do you have any experience in this?

The ceilings are flat, there is no humps. I took a peice of trim 6' and put it up on the ceiling to show her. You can only see it in one room, the "window room" all it looks like from an elevated level is shadowing where my mud was.

I believe it's from not using a "PVA sealer"

What do you think?
all comments, questions and smart ass remarks are welcome! Thank you

Whitey97

Nobody?

I think just to get my point across to the builder, I'm going to go and do the worst room myself just to make a point with the pva and do it the right way. I wouldn't be suprized if it all turned out looking good after either......

Darren@Partners

You are exactly right IMO. I personally use (at the recommendation of several painters with over 25 years experience) Iowa PPG Builder Spec Pro PVA Primer / Latex. I use it on ceilings with an airless, cross-hatching the spray, followed by a back roll with a 50/50 wool/nylon roller $5.00 each and roll perpendicular to the taper joints.

I'd get an opinion from another local painter that your builder will trust. Or repaint with a PVA you trust with the understanding that WHEN the problem goes away with your cure, you get paid for the drywall and the primer plus a premium. And possibly ALL the primer in the future.

A200 is not intended to be used as a primer. Your SW rep should back you up on that, lest he's teabaggin' the painter cuz he'll be a bigger client day in day out. Ask an Iowa PPG guy too. You'll for sure get a straight answer from a rep without skin in the game.(and he'll want to convert you) Besides that the Builder Spec pro can be had for about $37 per 5 gallon, way cheaper than A200 or anything else SW pimps. Hope this helps, know how aggravating this kinda stuff is....

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Whitey97

You have no idea how frustrating it is.... well, yeah maybe you do! f'n a! grr.... I just got finished after all the moron's were there tonight making a mess of the house. Wood work everywhere and here I am, feeling like a fool. There to prove everyone wrong. It just better f'n work!

So I went in there, poly'd the b' off. Start spraying, keep in mind it's about 10 pm. My f'n halogen bulb burns out on me. I have a back up, well guess what? my f'n helper boy decided to not tell me and stuff it in the trailer! son-of-a-b!tch. So at this point it's midnight, I call my wife...."hunny, can you bring me a light?" I got to hear holy hell for that! So she brings me another halogen sitting in the shop. That one's burnt up too! UHHHH! Well, I did think ahead, and told her to bring ol' trusty my 100 incandecent bulb. Well.... hours later (it felt like) here I am, over spray covered sitting in the shop complaining to you guys! I hope this makes someone smile!

btw. we don't have Iowa here. I stand behind Diamond Vogel. Besides that, there's the typical SW and Hirshfields, neither will I ever use. I would rather use Behr from HD than either of those!

I did tell the owner of the company that today, not the "lady" I've been dealing with. I told him "now, after tonight and this whole thing is in the past. I want full compensation for making me do this, all of the paint from here out, and not 1 word from the wench that's been nagging on me for the last 2 weeks!

Darren@Partners

Damn the luck!!! Those halogens have an uncanny way of letting us down at the most inopportune times. I'm sure that once daylight hits those ceilings you'll be vindicated.

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Whitey97

I'm kind of scared to go out there today, I know that if they don't look perfect, I'll have a sz 11 Nike inserted in my mouth.

Whitey97

I'm going to post a pic of the ceiling that's giving me the issue in my profile, I'll try and see if I can link it. Tell me what you think?!?

Whitey97

http://http://www.drywalltalk.com/me...dache-ceiling/

Custom Drywall Svc.

man.....heres what you do:

Get drunker than hell this weekend.

Whitey97

I can't! f'n broke cuz all my money is into mud, labor and bead! and that wench won't sign off on my check!

Nah... I'm planning on going to the cabin, doing some fishing and sayin' the working class can kiss my @$$!

Darren@Partners

Having trouble pulling up the link, Whitey. Thanks again for the proposal. Found a similar one a Office depot today and used one tonite. Getting them to sign on the spot is great sales edge. Gets them used to signing their name (like on the check).

Did your ceiling pass okay? It must have or you'd have said otherwise.

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Whitey97

link didn't work? well damn.... if you click on my name to the left, it's in my profile under headache ceiling.

To tell you the truth, I kind of hid out today. I have a pond in my back yard. I sat in my boat and fished for about 4 hours and just b!tched and moaned all day, while waiting for a call from the builder, being I called them a total of 12 times today looking for my check!

Whitey97

I also did a ton of up keep on my tools today, and fixed broken tools (like my halogen lights)

Darren@Partners

I found some Halogens a couple of years ago that have place to store an extra bulb inside one of the legs with a cap to keep it inside. Pretty cool, if no one uses it and then forgets to tell you it needs a new spare.

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Whitey97

yeah, I looked there... it was burnt out too... Why someone would put a used dead bulb in the storage spot is beyond me... but leave it to my guys.. I bet they think it's funny

Custom Drywall Svc.

employees will always be employees, period. hah.

....no one will ever care about your business as much as YOU.

Darren@Partners

Kind of a moot point now, but if I ever caught an employee pulling a stunt like that on me, I'd dock his pay real hard. High-school type pranks don't go over big with me. But if they're truly just that dumb, I see to it that their pay rate reflects it.

Totally unrelated subject, but I've got probably 15 boxes of reg. arch and bull arch in the shop that were opened because somebody didn't know that the label on the side and both ends told them the contents. I used to get called in the field and told we were out, could I bring another box. Being forward thinking, I'd go get 2-3 cases to save a trip to the supply house. Was too busy at the time to pull inventory, kept throwing the extras on the rack. By the time I figured it out, I could be a Trim-Tex stocking dealer.

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Whitey97

Luckly we're small enough where I keep quarterly inventory reports.

Whitey97

Still nothing.... In fact nobody has even called me. Of course, I"ve tried calling all of them.

Whitey97

*Correction*

I got a call today from the builder. She said, "since we've had bad weather "cloud coverage" and not full sun, I haven't been able to see the ceilings [flash] since you've re-painted it, If I can't see it on the next sunny day, I will release the funds"

things are looking up, I think?