US Tapers so far behind Europe

hwndrywlr

And your last Prime Minister was George W's little bitch

cazna

I did my apprenticeship with an english trained tradesman painter and he always was trying to start little stir ups like this too, i dont understand how he got off on it so much, one thing i noticed is how he wouldnt learn or try anything new but i guess it brings out opinions and views, very interesting thread, i always thought england was bricks and morter by hand and canada/america were drywall by tools but i know f all so my views mean very little.

Bazooka-Joe

well Ray I know there is some great arkeytexture over your side, but I have to say most of the worlds drywall techs and tools were created in America, come on over to the new world and I can show you some **** that will rot your brain California style, after a visit to some Beverly hills mansions.

Drywall was created out of Chicago.... I worked with many Euro and most of then were so stupid I could not believe the **** they tried to pass, give one to the Brits they could learn and do a good job

Taper come and go, some good some bad

Workaholic

I have had this conversation with other painters from the UK before. The hang up is not that we suck and they don't it is all the training that is required across the pond. They have to apprentice and go to school to be properly trained so that they can get their papers and of course they are very proud of that, where as we Americans learn a different way. The painters I have had this conversation were not asshats like this guy seems to be though.

2buckcanuck

well ,here's the UK drywall talk site http://www.tapingandjointing.com/for...ge5?order=desc
they seem like nice chaps over there,but their site is not as busy as this one.they talk a lot more plaster over there,wood houses (timber as they call it) seems like their not keen to it,and it sounds like everything there is stood up.
just saying,some how I missed reading this thread,wish I was around for this argument.just posting up their site.I know a lot of them come here to this site.I know they get a bit confused with our slang/terms.(so do I some times).
not saying who's better or not,but sometimes when you read stuff on their site ,you go "what ta hell are they talkin about ?"
they do have a excellent section on patents and schematics for tools.
just something to check out

JustMe

I'm about 'seeing is believing' on this thread's claim. Till then, I don't take it seriously.

One recent example that makes me wonder how accurate the thread's title is, is in a YouTube example I posted to Michel on another thread, to see how he might compare skill wise when it came to taping using a trowel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep1TzMa1FKw

Michel thought the speed shown humourous, and 2buck claimed the trowel technique used was wrong in a # of ways. I myself have seen drywall trowel coating that's more impressive, after seeing it done by 3 people that come to mind. At least 2 of the 3 were better.

Skim coating an already well filled 1st coated flat definitely isn't hard, as the video was showing being done. But there was one comment on the YouTube video site that compared it - the 'Aussie Way' - as being superior to the UK way: bloody perfect mate i learnt my trade in the uk but when i got out to perth and leared the aussie way i could see how much better it was, thats why now im back in the uk i advertise as Australian trained. Spot on mate.

If the Aussie Way in that video doesn't look too impressive, I'm wondering about how much the UK way is even less so - if one can take the above comment as being a decently accurate enough gauge of UK taping ability.

But maybe the UK way is further ahead. But to prove it, show me/us a video or 3 to prove it.

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Capt-sheetrock

So much of this arguement is technique. I use a hawk&trowel, pan and knife,ames type tools, and Aplha-techs.

What all that means, is IF THE WALL IS FLAT AT THE END,,, its right.

Don't much matter how you get there,,,, what matters is IF you get there.

nz drywaller

looks like this puller is just winding everyone up,end this thread and let him get back to his ice cave

JustMe

For me, it goes beyond the tools used for technique, to also strategy - having everything come together at the same time, in a right way for a situation, so nothing negatively affects the final sanding, or causes something to lag behind and holds up that final sanding - such as the butt joints being left behind on the video. At least they seem so to me. Unless he did it only because he was using the wall to demo his coating of flats ability. Or unless he's maybe planning on coating that flat some more.

Maybe it's the angle &/or lighting, but his 1st already dry coat on the flat in the video looks higher that what I'd want to 2nd coat on to get things 'flat'. I wouldn't want to have to go wider than necessary because of that 1st coat's height, to get a flat look. I don't like to/won't sand back into that 1st coat unless it's necessary, in part because of the ridging it can cause - which then usually means an added 3rd, often wider coat to me, to get the quality look I'm looking for.

To prevent that, right now I 'shadow' sand flats on the 1st coat - taking it back till the edges of the board bevels are starting to show through, but not sanding right down to them.
If the board isn't even, I take it back till the high side is starting to show through.

But if you think you have a better way of doing it to get things 'flat'/flat looking for my particular situation, I'm all ears.

I'm a little confused on this one. But maybe you're meaning something different than how it reads to me. Right now I'm thinking it does matter how you get there - acceptable results in the quickest, most efficient manner (in a way that doesn't wear on your body more than really necessary) is what I shoot for.

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betterdrywall

That video wore me out,, I think that is the fast way of getting arthritis,,,
A good quality box coater,, is there to help with easy of coating,, and to provide a much finer finish,, when set and operated correctly,,

Capt-sheetrock

Gee guys,,, when I was talking about the "video", I was talking about the roller one, not the azzuie with the trowel.

But since you brought it up,,, like I said, it don't matter how you get there, just so you get there. Sure it will take 4 times longer, but he will get there. Which means he is making 4 times less money, just cause he is in love with his technique.

Show me a better tool, and I'll put my old ones in the shed tomarrow, I'm not in love with the past.

BTW, he holds his trowel like I do,,, but around here, they hold em upside down, so even tho its obvious he knows how to use a trowel, he would be run off the job around here, cause he was holding his trowel upside down (even tho its right side up). Now you got to admit that kind of "we know, but you don't know" BS is always a real stumbling block for innovation.

Tim0282

He must not know how to use the other side of the trowel. Surely you use both sides.

Capt-sheetrock

I get it,,,,,, LOL

Tim0282

I knew you would!

JustMe

The real innovation killer saying for most things is probably "That's the same as ....".

Which is often based on arrogance and ignorance - the 2 main sources for most thinking errors.

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Capt-sheetrock

We have another saying in the deep south,,,, "Hey ya'll watch this"


Never turns out good,,,lol

moore

I like , the getting paid before the sweat dries . that's good stuff! the rest is bulls##t!!!

Drywall_King

obviousley this guy's head is soo far up his ass he doesnt know how good and profesional North american drywall's (Plasterers) are... iv watched my dad as a little boy do the biggest nicest houses in the country (canada) and how much respect the community gives us... houses hear are huge and full of complex add's.. your houses are all brick and i bet you guys have more wallpaper then anyone.. im working in australia now for a british cuple now and i asked him if there was much drwall in Uk and he said all the old houses are wood and wallpaper walls... how much skill does it take to put on wallpaper.. all the greatest taping tools come from canada and US.. NOT UK.. so when you hear the pop of your head comming out of your ass youll realize how stupid you made yourself look on a professional Drywall forum..

McDusty

i've taped in Russia, New Zealand & am employed by 2 ex-british plasters.... they are all clueless.

2buckcanuck

YOUR saying cazna SUCKS then