Todays Finishing Drama, a little long :)

rettt

Easy to flame a web forum . You have a nice life my friend and stay alert with that attitude you will get your attitude ajusted sooner or later !

rettt

let the forum flame war begin

butcherman

Just another tough guy.

butcherman

I don't recall threatning you. I stated opinions you don't like. So if your ever in Monroe county P.A. let me know. I could use an attitude adjustment. Until then keep making empty treats. But try to add something construtive to your posts.

taper71

I wouldn't worry about him butcherman. Hes probably just slow at work, going broke , and peed off at the guys who actually saved money for times like these. I drive a brand new truck and have a fancy gold cell phone . I think its the LG shine. cost me $500 for it.

butcherman

No worries here friend. Can we trade rides and cell phones? By the way the times are changing. Even though the last three weeks were slow i was working and the next two weeks i'll be falling behind. Plus the calls are coming in fast and furious. Just ride it out it's easier then 1990 if you remember that.

Brockster

Things are getting better here too! It seems like every time I start to really get worried, work comes in and then I kick myself for not relaxing when I had the chance...

Brockster

BTW, every forum has at least one anal wart.

butcherman

Yeah these cycles come and go every few years. Anticipate more work when the stimulus program kicks in. By then the economy will be going up and the stimulus will boost it. Ride it out.

cooper

While I don't believe we are going into some great depression like Alan Greenspan says--I don't think you should be quite this optimistic. I live in the northwest which has been the least affected by the housing slump so things really haven't been too bad here. In the last year when it has been real slow across america I think the fewest number of hours I have worked was probably about 38 and that was just for one week. I usually work around 50, but I looked at it as more of a break.

However, I do believe these mortgage issues are going to continue and these large lending companies are going to continue to have problems. The Bear Stearns being sold was a monumental deal. They fun 100s of banks and they were nearly bankrupt. That would of had an unprecedented ripple effect. Could have thrown us into a major recession....

But I say smile and keep trucking on. As of now I am still booked out until probably about mid-June or later so you won't hear any complaints from me.

I do high end drywall work and focus on quality and what I have noticed in this area is a lot of builders dropping their cheap drywallers to improve the quality of their houses. So maybe all of this is a good thing. I have picked up 3 new decent builders in the last 6 months for this reason.

butcherman

I hear you. But there are trends in construction and right away people hit the panic button which in turn effects wall street and so on. This is also an election year so the politicians on both sides will get off their asses to prevent what ever. If you ever notice the cycles in these times there are slowdowns 6 months before major elections. Times pick up three months before the election. Then after is a crap shoot. Then again it's all a crap shoot. But as you say a lot of the competition gets weeded out due to many reasons. So you pick up more contractors. But in talking to framers they are busy which in turn means a month from now who follows. While the mortgage companies shoot themselves in the foot by making the same mistakes they made 6 years ago (due to government pressure). We should see a short term gain.

rabb

the sun play a big big big part in drywall ,not just a bad job!! the job could be the best mr sun is a m.f

joepro0000

I found alot of help fully tips from old-school finishers that helps me achieve a nice quality finish. The clip lamp is the best tool. If you can put some cartboard in the windows and make the area dark, you will see everything with the lamp. Old school finishers are good, but to have them hourly, there too slow because they like to always talk about what they know and what they did. The younger guys keep their mouths shut, and work.

Anyways,

I would not pay those fools who did a **** ass job, because everyone thinks there finishers now-a-days, and if you come up to me and tell me you finish, you better really know how to finish. Why should I pay for your mistakes? If you do a half -assed job, you get paid half- assed. All my finishing is level 4 or 5, and if some crew of finishers come in and do a **** job, I'm going to make them fix it. I always tell the crews to sand with lamps and its going to be check with lamps before they decide to take on the job.

OLDSKOOL TAPER

Over the pond in ,not to aggressive EnglandBeing "relentless "translates to to"He's a right wanker to work for!"just joking!I have my own jointing company,and you don't want to work for me cos I'm a right capitalist pig!seriously though chaps,it doesn't matter what job you do wether ,worker/manager or whatever,you sometimes run into the siege mentality of "us and them" it's not good but some people can,t help themselves.So lets all have a group hug and get back to being friends(even if it is through gritted teeth)By the way it's hard to keep a straight face if you come face to face with an employer or employee who have a number of teeth missing after an altiction,just because they agreed to disagree.Just to answer the post about bad workmanship,we hold a retention on there pay check,so we have a bit of leverage with them, in case we need them to go back and fix any thing the client isn't happy with.If they are good finishes ,the next time they work with us we don't hold retention back,It's always best to put your cards on the table ,so every one knows what's expected .

bjbatlanta

Damn, I just THOUGHT the forums on the JLC site got good!!

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1wallboardsman

RRRRrrrriiigggghhhhtttttt. That must be why the rate has been increased so dramatically in the last 35 years. Todays young studs really know how to produce.

jdl

HawaiiBuilder

Just pay them, finish it yourself and take that as a lesson.

Been through this before. Even if they do agree to come back to touch up, it will still not be good enough and having guys on the job drudging around with negative attitudes complaining about losing money on this job is just not worth it. Just brings everyone else down.

I'm a General also, started doing my own drywall hanging and taping with crew because of this. Smaller remodels and additions, less than 150 boards. Finding out that others here are doing the same on residential. Will at least break even on drywall portion for a house or remodel contract because of the experience factor but definately have control over the quality. If you pay them for competed work and have to go back to redo, then it is lost money. On larger jobs...may try bidding by hiring sub to hang, string tape and first coat then find someone you can trust to take it to finish. Nice walls which are flat with crisp straight corners ar the marks of a quality project, which will put a smile on the owners face, which I feel is worth a couple of extra days to accomplish and will lead to more refferals.

I know this in my opion to be the most problematic portion of a job. Hiring a drywall sub, whether their reputation preceeds them or not. It all depends on which tapers are sent out to do your job, as some generals will request a certain lead person and have that in writing. I am certainly willing to pay a little extra for that piece of mind.

Good Luck,

KLB

Darren@Partners

Age old problem. Back up to builder's complaint. Did it look like s*** because the work really sucked or because the builder put Semi-gloss on it. All the touch-up over lights won't help a bit if you exceed flat on a Level 4. I've begun calling out paint sheen on estimates. If they want Eggshell they must pay for the extra work. If it's s***** work then get some guys who are proud of their work and stand behind their finished product. They are out there. If the builder want a Volkswagen price and bitches cause you don't bring the Cadillac, find new builder. Easier said than done.

moore

Thank you rettt Thank you,,,,,,,,,,,THANK YOU!Boy's this say's It all.Just because you have capital too hold a class A licenses DOES NOT make you a class A contractor.. LEARN THE TRADE FIRST!!!

Bevelation

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