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Old 11-27-2010, 10:28 AM   #1
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People have always told me that when spraying level 5 that you have to spray one direction then let it tack up and spray it in the other direction. In my area we call this the cross hatch pattern.

I have found that this is not so true. I spray the material with a .619 tip and overlap my spray 50%. The end result is no different than using the cross hatch pattern and is a more efficient procedure in my opinion.

Am I the only one who does it this way?

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Make sure to backroll--thats the correct way!!
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Make sure to backroll--thats the correct way!!
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Cross hatch it dude, same as spraying ceilings/lids or walls or it will be slightly uneven, dont worry about it tacking up, it can handle being sprayed up and down then sprayed accross it, this is the best and only way to get the most even coat, I did do it one way same as you trying to save time a few times and its not so good and had some uneven coverage so cross hatch spraying is a good method to stick to, trust me, one day it will save you and you wont even realise it In fact i lighty spary cross hatch method several times over one area, spray accross then up and down then accross then up and down lightly each time slowly filling and building it up to a full even perfect finish with no sray or lap marks or runs at all, If you think spraying just up and down works well ( and it prob looks ok) but you wait till harsh sun or an uplight hits it, trust me, then you will see you lap marks, especially with painted ceilings, man they can really show up the lap marks if not cross hatched a few times.

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I was on a job with 20 ft. clear stories, windows around the entire perimeter right at the tippy-top, and the cross hatch looked like stairs going up the wall. It was quite ugly.
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OK guys I am a painter, I can spray pretty good. The only time that I have had any problems with level 5 is in very small areas like a linen closet. I once had a little too much material end up going onto the walls and had to skim coat a curtain away. We all make a little oopsy every now and then, the good guys know how to fix it asap. I still have had very good luck with 50% overlap.

I have gotten into the habit of shing a halogen down the walls after the fact and touching up any little things. My method has proven to be very effective with no signs of spray laps or flashing.

What size tips are you guys using?
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I use a widespray[24"] tip for primer and backroll,, lite pole sand when dry and shoot latex finish with a 619 and backroll.
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I'm with Caz on this one. I cross-hatch it. I don't back roll level 5 (maybe I should) I do backroll paint, all the time,everytime.

To answer the OP, I do not see level-5 as a "primer" coat. I level5 to "finish" the drywall, so that flashing is not a problem. Then I primer, backroll, and paint either with a roller, or a sprayer along with back-roll.

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So for some of you that think you dont need to backroll a level 5--- do you backroll over veneer plaster?
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So for some of you that think you dont need to backroll a level 5--- do you backroll over veneer plaster?
LOL,,, your the plaster guy,,,, I don't have a clue here,,,, when I run into plaster,, I call guys like you. Really !!!!!!!!

Thats why I never post on the plaster threads,,, I'm the drywall master of the universe......... never said anything about plaster
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Got your back Capt,, I know you Know that I know That you know what we,re talking about---hee hee hee. Just wondering about the rest of the fellas? Cause ya know that veneer plaster is the next generation of level5!!----BTW,, I backroll everything
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Got your back Capt,, I know you Know that I know That you know what we,re talking about---hee hee hee. Just wondering about the rest of the fellas? Cause ya know that veneer plaster is the next generation of level5!!----BTW,, I backroll everything
Thats the very reason I got so good at drywall,,,,,, I had to prove that I was as good as the Plaster guys !!!!!!!!!!!

Its a funny thing,,, I went crazy in the early 80's and decided i wanted to learn the EIF stucco buss. Got right good at it too. But its like any other trade, just cause I can run stucco with a trowel, or drywall with a trowel, don't mean I can run plaster with a trowel.

Seems like there ain't that much diff in any of em, but as you know,,, they are ALL speclized (yeah, speeling is another thing i never got good at)
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OK guys I am a painter, I can spray pretty good. The only time that I have had any problems with level 5 is in very small areas like a linen closet. I once had a little too much material end up going onto the walls and had to skim coat a curtain away. We all make a little oopsy every now and then, the good guys know how to fix it asap. I still have had very good luck with 50% overlap.

I have gotten into the habit of shing a halogen down the walls after the fact and touching up any little things. My method has proven to be very effective with no signs of spray laps or flashing.

What size tips are you guys using?

As i said im painter as well and use to run a roof recoating franchise during summer for about 5 years so im well use to the spray gear.

As far as those level 5 spray products go im not a fan, I have found rolling the mud on then troweling off for the critacial light areas works the best, and those spray level 5 products are way over priced here, Anyway all those products are for is to make the surface smooth, they dont fill dispite what the bucket says, If you use regular paint primer undercoat sealer whatever you call it and cross hatch spray it several times lighty but get a good build up and dont be a tight wad with the paint you can achive the same thing which is smooth walls, and guess what, then you dont have to prime it, so skip that level 5 spray rubbish and save the cost. I used a 519 or 619 as well and on ceilings a 614 fine finsh for paint top coats.

And as for backrolling????? I dont get that, I want to make the wall smooth, not ruin it with a roller, same as spraying lids, some backroll that too, why bother??

We have another so call level 5 product here that is ment to be rolled on, which makes a mess, it is full of roller marks that then are a bitch to sand back.

But as Capt said, You are then plaster king DSJOHN, i know nothing about that stuff, we dont have that here.
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As i said im painter as well and use to run a roof recoating franchise during summer for about 5 years so im well use to the spray gear.

As far as those level 5 spray products go im not a fan, I have found rolling the mud on then troweling off for the critacial light areas works the best, and those spray level 5 products are way over priced here, Anyway all those products are for is to make the surface smooth, they dont fill dispite what the bucket says, If you use regular paint primer undercoat sealer whatever you call it and cross hatch spray it several times lighty but get a good build up and dont be a tight wad with the paint you can achive the same thing which is smooth walls, and guess what, then you dont have to prime it, so skip that level 5 spray rubbish and save the cost. I used a 519 or 619 as well and on ceilings a 614 fine finsh for paint top coats.

And as for backrolling????? I dont get that, I want to make the wall smooth, not ruin it with a roller, same as spraying lids, some backroll that too, why bother??

We have another so call level 5 product here that is ment to be rolled on, which makes a mess, it is full of roller marks that then are a bitch to sand back.

But as Capt said, You are then plaster king DSJOHN, i know nothing about that stuff, we dont have that here.
Caz, don't know bout your neck of the woods,,, but the reason that level5 even exists in the USA is cause painters don't back-roll the primer coat,,, no joke. Thats it. period.

Its like this,,, painters come in, they don't even sweep the dust off the walls, then they spray the primer on,,, cross-hatching, I might add,thinking that since they cross-hatched it, the dust will dissappear. Then after they paint it, the "dust-lines" show up. ENTER the level5,,,, they had to come up with a REASON to fix this problem, other than telling the painters,,, BACK ROLL OR HIT THE ROAD.

I finish and paint. I don't sweep the walls, however, I back-roll my primer coat. Then I sand, then I coat, then I sand, then I second coat. POOF. no need for level5..

IF you prime without back-rolling,,,, you CAPTURE the dust "picture" on the wall,,,, never to be removed again!!!!!!!!

Thats the fact and not JMHO
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Well thats amazing capt, Oh my god, I mean WTF, I sand the plaster then use a wooster dust eater over it to get rid of the dust or broom it if i forget to bring it, Then the floor is swept and then vacuumed spotless, even the windows, all around the skirtings doors etc, yeah yeah bla bla it takes extra time but at least you can paint without all that crap about so that time can be made up agian, aint no paint coming out till thats done, then spray then sand then wooster dusteat it again, have you seen them??? they are a big triangle thing with mop hairs on it that you attach to a pole, covers the wall area great.

And if i dont paint its still dust eated down and swept and luxed out.
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Well thats amazing capt, Oh my god, I mean WTF, I sand the plaster then use a wooster dust eater over it to get rid of the dust or broom it if i forget to bring it, Then the floor is swept and then vacuumed spotless, even the windows, all around the skirtings doors etc, yeah yeah bla bla it takes extra time but at least you can paint without all that crap about so that time can be made up agian, aint no paint coming out till thats done, then spray then sand then wooster dusteat it again, have you seen them??? they are a big triangle thing with mop hairs on it that you attach to a pole, covers the wall area great.

And if i dont paint its still dust eated down and swept and luxed out.
Calm down Caz, I was/am making the point that level5 came into existance and remains, because painters do not back-roll period.

I was not saying anything about how YOU finish and paint,,, I was just making the point that since SOME spray primer on walls without REMOVING the dust or BACKROLLING it out of existance,,,, level5 has climbed out of the primordial soup and evolved into a viable creature that dumbass GC"s think is a good idea!

However we GET there,,,, the dust MUST be removed, or it will show up in the finish!

Personnally, I prefer to back-roll it out of existence. Much faster and easier than sweeping, vac-ing and so on.
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Well thats amazing capt, Oh my god, I mean WTF, I sand the plaster then use a wooster dust eater over it to get rid of the dust or broom it if i forget to bring it, Then the floor is swept and then vacuumed spotless, even the windows, all around the skirtings doors etc, yeah yeah bla bla it takes extra time but at least you can paint without all that crap about so that time can be made up agian, aint no paint coming out till thats done, then spray then sand then wooster dusteat it again, have you seen them??? they are a big triangle thing with mop hairs on it that you attach to a pole, covers the wall area great.

And if i dont paint its still dust eated down and swept and luxed out.
Of course I know what a dust-eater is,,,,, I seen them swifter commercials,,, however, I think the mop got a bum rap,,, really !!!!!!
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Calm down Caz, I was/am making the point that level5 came into existance and remains, because painters do not back-roll period.

I was not saying anything about how YOU finish and paint,,, I was just making the point that since SOME spray primer on walls without REMOVING the dust or BACKROLLING it out of existance,,,, level5 has climbed out of the primordial soup and evolved into a viable creature that dumbass GC"s think is a good idea!

However we GET there,,,, the dust MUST be removed, or it will show up in the finish!

Personnally, I prefer to back-roll it out of existence. Much faster and easier than sweeping, vac-ing and so on.
Ha ha all good capt, I realise that Actually most painters here back roll as they brush and roll the sealer on.

Still a bit messy painting around windows and bottoms of doors, skirting boards though, Not for me, pass me the vacuum mr festool thanks.
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Still a bit messy painting around windows and bottoms of doors, skirting boards though, Not for me, pass me the vacuum mr festool thanks.
You lost me there,,,, Not sure what your saying,,,,,???
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You lost me there,,,, Not sure what your saying,,,,,???
Im saying its messy trying to paint the bottoms of walls and door frames if it has dust every where, and festool is my vacuum, A festool brand vacuum and i will vacuum these areas after sanding so its clean ready for painting.
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