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Old 09-19-2011, 02:04 PM   #1
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Has anyone lot's of experience with spraying level 5 over level 4?

I've done everything from trowel, to roll on a level 5 but I'm trying to get away from sanding?

Has anyone had success spraying that required minimal or no sanding?

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Old 09-19-2011, 02:57 PM   #2
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the spraying ive done makes it smooth cept where the wallss were oversanded
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Synko T.I.P.S primer, gives a level 5 like finish. When you sand it, there is a lot of dust, and it primes. A+ stuff.
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So the 5th level is prime?
I thought the painters done that.
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welcome production drywall. i've seen your truck and trailer around town before.
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here you go Level 4 vs Level 5 Finish

Level 5

Level 5, spraying mud???
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So the 5th level is prime?
I thought the painters done that.
5th level is just a quality of finish.From what Ive seen Moore your work would definitly pass as level 5 . Some manufacturers created products like level 5 ,its basically a good sandable primer,helps with flashing. We dont spray our level 5 walls....
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Most tapers around here wouldnt know level 5 if it bite em. So they have me spray something called prep coat over their level 3.75 work and call it good. Prep coat is ment to be put on under texture. They make a sprayable coating ment for levleling the work. there is one taper named Dave who does real level 5, he gets treated like a god.
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spraying or rolling on the last coat of mud in level five application means roller or squeegee marks must be dealt with.
BS on anybody that says the "putty coat" "piss coat" "sheer coat" "blank coat" "level 5 coat" etc.
doesn't need to be wipped with a metal knife.
I've listened to you journeymen experts for the last time.
A sheer coat needs to be hand applied and wiped with a metal knife.
Then sanded with 220 micro.
blabla bla on how many of you know how to make it perfect a different way.
I'm not paying for any different way ever again.
Hand applied and wiped with a metal knife or don't.
I am the one paying so that's the way I'll be doing it.
All other methods are pretending.
One more thing
Spraying intermediate coating doesn't take the place of sheer coat.
Not over level 4, level 4 and a half, or level 5.
Period end of story.
An intermediate coat also isn't primer.
A high build high solids coating meant to hide imperfections in the PROFILE of the sheetrock, prep coat sounds a lot like a material you can use in place of good sanding or mud work.
BUT YOU CAN'T!
It is wrong and also begs the question how are you selling level 5 without completing level 5?

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spraying or rolling on the last coat of mud in level five application means roller or squeegee marks must be dealt with.
BS on anybody that says the "putty coat" "piss coat" "sheer coat" "blank coat" "level 5 coat" etc.
doesn't need to be wipped with a metal knife.
I've listened to you journeymen experts for the last time.
A sheer coat needs to be hand applied and wiped with a metal knife.
Then sanded with 220 micro.
blabla bla on how many of you know how to make it perfect a different way.
I'm not paying for any different way ever again.
Hand applied and wiped with a metal knife or don't.
I am the one paying so that's the way I'll be doing it.
All other methods are pretending.
One more thing
Spraying intermediate coating doesn't take the place of sheer coat.
Not over level 4, level 4 and a half, or level 5.
Period end of story.
An intermediate coat also isn't primer.
A high build high solids coating meant to hide imperfections in the PROFILE of the sheetrock, prep coat sounds a lot like a material you can use in place of good sanding or mud work.
BUT YOU CAN'T!
It is wrong and also begs the question how are you selling level 5 without completing level 5?
A level 5 is achieved by coating the paper on the rock so that the wall or ceiling will have all one consistency of drywall cement. It hides the Minuit imperfections that would otherwise be magnified by light whether natural or some other lighting... I agree with the wiping down whether it is by a metal blade or not I guess it all depends how much you want to sand. Applying the taping mud is a personal preference as to how you want to do it ... Skimming out a wall to a level 5 does not mean you have to have a thick layer on it just enough to cover the texture of the wallboard and thereby prevent flashing.... If you want to take all the time and effort to do it by hand well all I have to say is more power to you It does not make it the correct and only way just because you say it is. And what are you talking about you are not going to PAY TO HAVE IT DONE ANY OTHER WAY are you not the one doing the work???? If not you really don't have any right to tell any journeyman how to go about his business, That's MY STORY AND I AM STICKING TOO IT!!!!!
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A d/c here [a hole low baller] Finishes his jobs out then pays a painter to spray the primer .He calls this level 5.. runs and all.

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nah, you mistook my tone-
I'm talking about personally and professionally in my own business,
I will not allow anything other than hand applied level 5 wiped with a metal knife on any of my jobs,
additionally as a consultant,
I am absolutely going to recommend against any company that says they spray or roll and squeegee.
I've seen lots of them, and no,
even a really good wiper behind an excellent mud man doesn't come out as good as a hand applied finish using a metal knife to wipe it.
I've also heard it all blablabla about how this way or that way works.
Level 5 means level 5.
We all know what it is.
Trying to define it a new buggy way is nothing less than an affront to craftsmen that take pains to do it right and by the book.
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the only way to achieve level 5 is to PAY for it.... period
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nah, you mistook my tone-
I'm talking about personally and professionally in my own business,
I will not allow anything other than hand applied level 5 wiped with a metal knife on any of my jobs,
additionally as a consultant,
I am absolutely going to recommend against any company that says they spray or roll and squeegee.
I've seen lots of them, and no,
even a really good wiper behind an excellent mud man doesn't come out as good as a hand applied finish using a metal knife to wipe it.
I've also heard it all blablabla about how this way or that way works.
Level 5 means level 5.
We all know what it is.
Trying to define it a new buggy way is nothing less than an affront to craftsmen that take pains to do it right and by the book.
muttbucket, I mean no disrespect in saying this

I have probably L5 more DAP in the past 2 years than you have seen in "drywall" in 5....if your saying a L5 can only be done with knife...your an idiot and if doing it for a sub rate, your an underpaid idiot...a L5 has to be sanded..no way around it for it to be right...if you want to sand 14"/12"/10" laps...so be it...to come in here and say a "journeyman" HAS to use a metal knife is just wrong, imo
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Has anyone lot's of experience with spraying level 5 over level 4?

I've done everything from trowel, to roll on a level 5 but I'm trying to get away from sanding?

Has anyone had success spraying that required minimal or no sanding?
Foam backed sand paper, less sponging for final product. I recommend 150-180 grit 3M Only picture I could find,but you get the idea.
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nah, you mistook my tone-
I'm talking about personally and professionally in my own business,
I will not allow anything other than hand applied level 5 wiped with a metal knife on any of my jobs,
additionally as a consultant,
I am absolutely going to recommend against any company that says they spray or roll and squeegee.
I've seen lots of them, and no,
even a really good wiper behind an excellent mud man doesn't come out as good as a hand applied finish using a metal knife to wipe it.
I've also heard it all blablabla about how this way or that way works.
Level 5 means level 5.
We all know what it is.
Trying to define it a new buggy way is nothing less than an affront to craftsmen that take pains to do it right and by the book.
Oh consultant huh? I guess that makes you correct... maybe in your own mind..
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let's count backward

31,30,29,28,27,26,25,24,23,22,21,20,19,18.17.16.15 .14.13.12.11.10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1
this is how many years I've been listening to all the greatest things that have hit drywall.

All the scheming, all the criticism.
All the plain lowering of standards.
I am saying I will not have nor will I recommend any drywaller spray or roll, then squeegee off mud in a level 5 application.
Yeah keep on doing it your way,
I'll keep doing it the right way.
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let's count backward

31,30,29,28,27,26,25,24,23,22,21,20,19,18.17.16.15 .14.13.12.11.10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1
this is how many years I've been listening to all the greatest things that have hit drywall.

All the scheming, all the criticism.
All the plain lowering of standards.
I am saying I will not have nor will I recommend any drywaller spray or roll, then squeegee off mud in a level 5 application.
Yeah keep on doing it your way,
I'll keep doing it the right way.
You would have to start a little higher on the count for me, but that aside, we are not talking about the greatest things that hit the drywall , we are talking about a form of achieving a level 5. You are right do it your own way... who cares how you do it I don't that is for sure coming from a post you made about when not wanting to work how you can break various parts on your tube,( and brag about it) intelligent not... lazy perhaps...
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You would have to start a little higher on the count for me, but that aside, we are not talking about the greatest things that hit the drywall , we are talking about a form of achieving a level 5. You are right do it your own way... who cares how you do it I don't that is for sure coming from a post you made about when not wanting to work how you can break various parts on your tube,( and brag about it) intelligent not... lazy perhaps...
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Sprayplast.....
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