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hwndrywlr · 05-28-2009, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tapingfool

What do you fellow tapers think about this. I was offered a full time position with a company that has work, but they will only pay x amount per hour which is a little low, but in this economy I think it is OK..however if I ever get a better offer I go..what do you all think..I will of course not work as fast as I want to, but will still produce..

I always thought when I'm working for someone if I'm not producing double the amount i'm getting paid then it's not worth the employer keeping me around.I figure if I'm making him the same amount of money he's paying me then he will always give me work.Now that I'm on my own I realize that most guys don't think like that

evolve991 · 05-28-2009, 12:27 PM

No Initiative=No Future Work. We have always given a quality job regardless of the pay(usually per sheet) and although we didn't get a bonus or even a " Good Job" in most cases the effort showed and we stayed busy longer than those who just did "acceptable". Even when your boss or contractor doesn't acknowledge your expertise the word gets around what kind of work you do and what attitude you have.

joepro0000 · 05-28-2009, 02:26 PM

Trust me guys, the way the situation is now, 90% of hourly guys are not going to put in 100% effort, because they are going to say- Well if I work hard, great, but then there might not be no work next week. So let me slow down!

F- That- piecework works betteR!

evolve991 · 05-28-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by joepro0000

Trust me guys, the way the situation is now, 90% of hourly guys are not going to put in 100% effort, because they are going to say- Well if I work hard, great, but then there might not be no work next week. So let me slow down!

F- That- piecework works betteR!

I hate hourly.

Frankawitz · 05-29-2009, 07:29 AM

I always set my guys up with 20% to 30% after materials this way they can set their own wage per hour, I have found that if you offer pay by the job they want to keep up a good pace and they also keep Quality in mind. I pay my helpers by the hour and their job is keeping jobsite cleaned up and just grunt work. if a guy knows what they are doing they can make some good money and I make money so I can keep them busy. Good luck

www.frankawitz.net

murbuddy · 05-30-2009, 12:24 PM

If I was you, you may want to set on paper how much you need to live on. If your going to making that kind of money you need to live on take it and stay with it. Don't be a fool and leave when a better offer comes by. You will end up going down the river with out a paddle!

tapingfool · 06-11-2009, 08:41 PM

well, well to make this quick, first off I never called any employers greedy..Secondly, I was offered a better position with his competitor the next day, and have gotten 2 raises in that time, I started out with x, kicked ass, then he raised me to Y and now I make Z..
All this after running my own crew for 8 years..So iv'e been there..

R.E. Plaster · 06-27-2009, 07:58 PM

If you take on a job that you asked for it's your responsibility to do your best if you do it will pay off down the road, if you don't you might just be down the road.

Alberta*Tapers · 09-27-2009, 01:43 AM

ah hourly sucks in comparison to piece work but if its all you got, then do it. at least you will be guaranteed money coming in. economy is rough at the moment.

But i say work as you would normally. maybe in the end you will be able to prove your worth, and get paid piece work. there are alot of slackers out there, so obviously on the go boss man isnt gonna give you the world til you prove your worth it

rockdaddy · 09-27-2009, 11:22 AM

Speaking as a two sider, EE and ER, 27 years in this industry has taught me that some guys are working a job and some guys are building a career. Some are merely doing what they have to do to put bread on the table. Everyone of us in here are different just like evryone on the job is different. It's all a mindset. Guys that work hard generally don't have the time to piss and moan because they ARE busy. Complainers and slackers have that time because theyare slackers and complainers. Life has a way of rewarding the workers and punishing the dead weight. Each man earns his own reward. Personally, I find that the days go quickly when I stay focused on the work at hand and not everything else in life. Especially when money is on the line. anyone who is worrying about what they are making should have cut a better deal up front.

rockdaddy · 09-27-2009, 11:23 AM

Better Idea yet..........Why not work as fast as you normally do and impress the hell out of em and get a raise?

eastex1963 · 09-27-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdaddy

Better Idea yet..........Why not work as fast as you normally do and impress the hell out of em and get a raise?

Yeah, that's a great theory, but more times than not, the GC's really don't give a ****. They just want it done. Period. Believe me, you're NOT impressing them. There are guys lined up waiting to take your job. The GC's usually have a truck full of drywaller's business cards. And, there's always a bigger, better mouse trap. Bid the jobs fair, do the work in a timely manner. ALWAYS do what you say you're going to. And thank God at night that you still have a job. Also, it might not be a bad idea to save some $$$ for a rainy day.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 09-28-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by eastex1963

Yeah, that's a great theory, but more times than not, the GC's really don't give a ****. They just want it done. Period. Believe me, you're NOT impressing them. There are guys lined up waiting to take your job. The GC's usually have a truck full of drywaller's business cards. And, there's always a bigger, better mouse trap. Bid the jobs fair, do the work in a timely manner. ALWAYS do what you say you're going to. And thank God at night that you still have a job. Also, it might not be a bad idea to save some $$$ for a rainy day.

i completely agree.

as i also completely agree with this below as well

Custom Drywall Svc. · 09-28-2009, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockdaddy

Speaking as a two sider, EE and ER, 27 years in this industry has taught me that some guys are working a job and some guys are building a career. Some are merely doing what they have to do to put bread on the table. Everyone of us in here are different just like evryone on the job is different. It's all a mindset. Guys that work hard generally don't have the time to piss and moan because they ARE busy. Complainers and slackers have that time because theyare slackers and complainers. Life has a way of rewarding the workers and punishing the dead weight. Each man earns his own reward. Personally, I find that the days go quickly when I stay focused on the work at hand and not everything else in life. Especially when money is on the line. anyone who is worrying about what they are making should have cut a better deal up front.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 09-28-2009, 01:13 AM

its a fkked up world, yes.............but both u guys are completely right.

rebel20 · 09-28-2009, 10:21 AM

Here it works a bit different you get a base pay and all raises after that are voluntary so when economy bad you may only get base pay. You still got work though. You do poor performance I take away your raise and your back to base pay or on the street looking for work. You perform I will gradually increase your base and your voluntary pay. It's a bit complicated but it keeps your guy's performing.

Rebel

05-28-2009, 12:27 PM	#22
evolve991 Walking Contradiction Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: North East,MD Posts: 123	No Initiative=No Future Work. We have always given a quality job regardless of the pay(usually per sheet) and although we didn't get a bonus or even a " Good Job" in most cases the effort showed and we stayed busy longer than those who just did "acceptable". Even when your boss or contractor doesn't acknowledge your expertise the word gets around what kind of work you do and what attitude you have. __________________ Keep on rockin' in the free world

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05-28-2009, 02:26 PM	#23
joepro0000 The Drywall King! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 331	Trust me guys, the way the situation is now, 90% of hourly guys are not going to put in 100% effort, because they are going to say- Well if I work hard, great, but then there might not be no work next week. So let me slow down! F- That- piecework works betteR!

05-29-2009, 07:29 AM	#25
Frankawitz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Posts: 100	I always set my guys up with 20% to 30% after materials this way they can set their own wage per hour, I have found that if you offer pay by the job they want to keep up a good pace and they also keep Quality in mind. I pay my helpers by the hour and their job is keeping jobsite cleaned up and just grunt work. if a guy knows what they are doing they can make some good money and I make money so I can keep them busy. Good luck www.frankawitz.net

05-30-2009, 12:24 PM	#26
murbuddy Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 6	If I was you, you may want to set on paper how much you need to live on. If your going to making that kind of money you need to live on take it and stay with it. Don't be a fool and leave when a better offer comes by. You will end up going down the river with out a paddle!

06-11-2009, 08:41 PM	#27
tapingfool Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 87	well, well to make this quick, first off I never called any employers greedy..Secondly, I was offered a better position with his competitor the next day, and have gotten 2 raises in that time, I started out with x, kicked ass, then he raised me to Y and now I make Z.. All this after running my own crew for 8 years..So iv'e been there..

06-27-2009, 07:58 PM	#28
R.E. Plaster Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 39	If you take on a job that you asked for it's your responsibility to do your best if you do it will pay off down the road, if you don't you might just be down the road.

09-27-2009, 01:43 AM	#29
Alberta*Tapers Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 2	ah hourly sucks in comparison to piece work but if its all you got, then do it. at least you will be guaranteed money coming in. economy is rough at the moment. But i say work as you would normally. maybe in the end you will be able to prove your worth, and get paid piece work. there are alot of slackers out there, so obviously on the go boss man isnt gonna give you the world til you prove your worth it

09-27-2009, 11:22 AM	#30
rockdaddy Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 79	Speaking as a two sider, EE and ER, 27 years in this industry has taught me that some guys are working a job and some guys are building a career. Some are merely doing what they have to do to put bread on the table. Everyone of us in here are different just like evryone on the job is different. It's all a mindset. Guys that work hard generally don't have the time to piss and moan because they ARE busy. Complainers and slackers have that time because theyare slackers and complainers. Life has a way of rewarding the workers and punishing the dead weight. Each man earns his own reward. Personally, I find that the days go quickly when I stay focused on the work at hand and not everything else in life. Especially when money is on the line. anyone who is worrying about what they are making should have cut a better deal up front.

09-27-2009, 11:23 AM	#31
rockdaddy Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 79	Better Idea yet..........Why not work as fast as you normally do and impress the hell out of em and get a raise?

09-28-2009, 01:13 AM	#35
Custom Drywall Svc. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 395	its a fkked up world, yes.............but both u guys are completely right.

09-28-2009, 10:21 AM	#36
rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 161	Here it works a bit different you get a base pay and all raises after that are voluntary so when economy bad you may only get base pay. You still got work though. You do poor performance I take away your raise and your back to base pay or on the street looking for work. You perform I will gradually increase your base and your voluntary pay. It's a bit complicated but it keeps your guy's performing. Rebel