tapingfool

What do you fellow tapers think about this. I was offered a full time position with a company that has work, but they will only pay x amount per hour which is a little low, but in this economy I think it is OK..however if I ever get a better offer I go..what do you all think..I will of course not work as fast as I want to, but will still produce..

TonyM

Depends if you can comfortably live off what they are paying.
Why would you not work as fast?

Darren@Partners

Yeh, that attitude won't go too far in my camp fella. Start with the idea that if their paying 12 they're gonna get 12 from me. That's bs and they'll find someone else. If they're paying 12, better give 20 worth or you'll be lucky to stay on at all. Just my .02. Bird in the hand.....

big george

This is a slow time,What ever it takes to make a weeks pay.If you work full time you still have chance to work some on you own time.There's not much money sitting in front of the computer.

tapingfool

Well theres no reason for me to blitz thru their work with my trusty bazooka, especially if they can't give me more work if I rush thru it at normal speed. they can give me steady work, but I must keep it slow due to their sheetrockers..not because I want to work slowly..

tapingfool

I have been in this trade over 20 yrs, no way I am gonna be let go by anyone with a brain that can think for themselves, I have proven time and again that I can bury hand tapers, thus proving my worth..

Darren@Partners

Maybe I mistook your meaning then.

Here's my point. I walked in on my guys chatting a few years ago. The new guy was baggin' that he wasn't gonna put out but x$ worth if I was only paying x$. Meaning to me, he didn't want a raise or for that matter the job I had provided. My point is to keep a job and move up the employee has to turn out enough work for the boss to A) keep said employee another day, & B) see that he/she wants to move up the ladder. An hourly position IMO is an invite only affair. If the boss is not happy with output, no invite for tomorrow.

PS: That guy got disinvited on the spot.

Custom Drywall Svc.

AMEN.

(taping fool, no offense...but please consider the other side of the coin as well -- its always a 2 way street)

Custom Drywall Svc.

jeez, AMEN again.

well put.

i got a 2 laborers for example....both were hired at the same time @ 10 bucks an hour....about 2 months ago.

one of them works his AZZ off....and is clearly trying to prove to me that he has long term worth with my company. never complains, just gives 110%....or, gives me 12 bucks an hour, when i only pay him 10, lets put it like that.

on the OTHER hand....my other laborer @ 10 bucks an hour is so unmotivated....complains.....unresponsible.....and just plain lazy. in other words, he gives me more like 9.50 an hour, while i pay him 10........and in actuality, hes hardly worth min. wage -- 8 bucks an hour. this is the type of employee who will do ONLY what you tell him and nothing more.......this is the type of guy who is watching the clock like a hawk when its 4:59pm.........and no more than 3 seconds past 5pm, his car is already pulling out of the parking lot.

i actually got rid of him a week ago. just couldnt stand the guy anymore.

what pretty much did it for me, was 2 weeks ago when i asked him if he could work for me on a saturday, at a big custom home job we were doing. i basically wanted him to clean and scrape the floors of this house, to get it ready for a final walkthru i was to perform with the owners on monday morning.

he flat out declined me saying "you told me its not required to work on weekends. sorry, i have plans."

.....

can you believe this guy...?

knowing he was lazier than hell, i even told him "you dont even have to go there early on saturday morning....sleep in, and go in the afternoon...i basically just need it clean by monday morning, i dont care when you go"

so....yea....i let him go a week later.

Darren@Partners

To Tapingfool: Did the guy hire you, or you and your bazooka? A guy with his own tools IS worth more to the contractor than without. I support a position based on that, but if it's simply begrudging him a profit, then I'd urge you to rethink....

muddymen

Ok fix everything and pay by the foot! If a I pay a man 10.00 hr and he has the attitude that he will only do 10hr worth of work what I found out is if I give him a raise to 13hr then maybe for one week he'll do 13 or 14hr worth of work but then he's back to giving me only 10hr worth so in the long run I lost he won(works the same and makes more)I guess hes running the show now! Bottom line is people with that mentality never change and need to be taking my order at the fast food joint.

tapingfool

He heard thru others at the job site that I am worth hiring, so he made me an offer, it is for full time work no benefits. I can run with tools if getting paid piece work, or simply still do alot of work, just not as much with hourly pay..point is it's win win for him, I don't want to burn myself out..

tapingfool

I think you Employers forget what it is like to be an employee with bills..If you r making money no matter how much I produce when you demand more it is just greed..

Darren@Partners

Employers have bills too, you just gotta add a zero or two at the end of yours. I've had this discussion with other guys for years, your situation is not unique. I grant you that the ownership of tools makes you worth more, what more do you want?

And let's see here...the reason you're considering this job is this guy has work and you don't. One would think you'd be glad for an opportunity to earn instead of wail about how unfair capitalism is, how all employers are greedy. Where would you be without someone else creating the possibility of work for you to do? So if it's all about greed on the employers end, what do you call all this tude from you about how much work you'll turn out for a given amount of pay? Is that not greed on your part? Or is it sour grapes? Pot calling the kettle black, eh? Every single DW contractor I know has seen his share of guys with this very outlook, we've all got our own ways of dealing with it.

End of my rant.

On a more friendly note: Some advice--don't burn any bridges right about now. This economy may have flattened out for the time being, but may yet be another big drop around the corner this fall/winter. If this guy is willing to put you on, even if you're not thrilled about the $, this job may be very, very important to you a year or two from now.

Rip away if you want. I stand firmly on my convictions that a guy ought to be working at moving up the scale instead of getting his ego on.

Frankawitz

Darren,
That's was right on the Money! Excellent.
Taping if you think being the Boss is so easy try it, Good luck


www.frankawitz.net

Custom Drywall Svc.

EXACTLY.

what Darren said is 100% spot on. step into the shoes of a business owner Taping.

i can 'see' where you are coming from taping, but it is just extremely narrow-minded quite honestly. to make statements as you have made, or implications more or less of how business owners are greedy, well....you just dont have any room to say those things UNLESS youve been on the other side as an employER.

think how 'america' would be (or the rest of the world) if they all had the same attitude as you did........if businesses and corporations goal wasnt to 'make money' but to simply exchange goods and services for cost because 'theyre afraid to make money'.....'afraid of being "greedy"'.....'afraid to operate at their FULL potential'

capitalism, for the most part, has always been a good thing Taping. you sound more like youd enjoy living in communist China or Russia.

Darren is right....you should be lucky your EMPLOYER is even having a job available to you.

youre lucky businesses are even making enough money TO hire people. ....think about that?

if businesses all thought as idiotic as you, there'd be no jobs available. you know why? maybe because theyre all too busy trying to not be 'greedy' and they simply CANT AFFORD to hire more employees!

bottomline, capitalism works taping. simply put, the idea is that people that have wealth usually reinvest it into the economy to CREATE more wealth and jobs (no comments on the current administration....)

its fundamental economics.

hahahha.....so no offense man, but its just hilarious what you said above. completely laughable. i wont get offended because it is clearly being said without a full understanding of the economy, therefore it is an ignorant comment.

again, no offense intended at all -- just being honest.

hjrdrywal

I'd like to see how taping would handle the stress that a owner has , sometimes its hard to handle ,and being not that long ago from myself being the one hanging,finishing,and instructing crews where to go and what to do is just a bunch of bs that he actually thinks that . (just another pre-madona taper we have here fella's)

A+ Texture LLC

You guys are being hard on this guy. I will do anything to provide for my wife and kids, sometimes you gotta look out for yourself because nobody else will. I know what it's like being the boss. It simply means your the asshole even when your not. How many of us had people try to take advantage of us? It's no different. Hey taping, do whatever you want, just have a clear conscience when you go to bed, thats all that matters.

Whitey97

I wish I could go to work and have a guaranteed check every week with set hours. I say do it! It's over rated being the boss. No, I wouldn't change it, and I enjoy what I do, but if you're even questioning it, what do you have to loose? you can always go back to the way it was. my .02

rabb

HI ,JUST BE GLAD FOR THE job, I HAVE BEEN OFF FOR 9MO NOW ,i am 53 and all the new guy's are about 20 and up , when i was 20 i was fast as hell but now mmmm, i hate i got in to drywall now, so you got tool ,and i don't ,who will get the JOB ,the guy with the tool , JUST BE HAPPY