Please clarify this "per sheet" business

silverstilts

I think your math is a little off a 4x8 = 32 not 96 and usually it's the width then the length and then thickness kinda like a 2x4x 8' not a 8 4x2.... whatever length you have i think you are just confusing everyone again.... simple math there.... the proper way would be as this 4x12 - 1/2" not to hard to figure out even if you have a 3rd grade education...

sam wilsee

it's not that confusing you know that an 8 is 8 feet by 4 feet right
well you times 8X4=32 and same with 9's you times 9X4=36...etc..etc..
And you know when you walk in a house their's 8's in a stack and their's 9's,10's,12's,14's,,Ceiling drywall(to be used strickly for ceiling)or CD as they call it.
What you do when your doing your count is you count as too how many 8,9,10,12,14
you count it as
8's are 32 so if you have 104 8's it's counted as 32X104=3328Sq foot of 8's and let's say your getting paid 21cent's a foot then your times that 3328X0.21= 698.88 dolar's for those 8's
so not again
8X4=32 times how many 8's you have
9X4=36 times how many 9's you have
10X4=40 times how many 10's you have
12X4=48 times how many 12's you have
14X4=56 times how many 14's you have
54X4=216 times how many 54's you have

sam wilsee

i don't know where your doing your boarding..but you don't get paid for that 1/2 inch it's just the length and the height not the width

sam wilsee

it's not like an 8 foot 2x4,,,it's not this 8X4x1/2 inch it's only 8x4=32 it's called a square foot not a linear foot

eastex1963

Oh brother...............

Muddauber

Sam,
Go back and read your #19 post and you will see why it's confusing.

Custom Drywall Svc.

ok im confused.

silverstilts

hey i like his figuring at his price 54" -12' = 648' I should only have to do one job a year , but at any rate what is so complicated is just in there tiny little minds , with competition like that , well lets just say not much to worry about.... simple just use sq ft ( and not to confuse those simple minded ones walls and ceilings sq ft ) not a price by the sheet.

Darren@Partners

Here's a good one. Most scrappers charge .025 - .03 per be ft. One guy wanted to know how many sheets cuz he charged $1.00 per sheet. If it's all 8's that's .03, but all 12's, then only .02. His theory was that ther was 1or2 scraps per sheet no matter the size. I figure everything per sq ft, per sheet just too much ciphering to see if the price is fair.

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tvo

is 0.30$ a sq foot a good price for doing 8foot wall and ceiling in a bunglow house in ontario

Custom Drywall Svc.

yup.

This will offend some people, but if you're working per SHEET versus per board square feet, you're an idiot. And if you cant figure out why, you'll never own a successful drywall business.

there, i said it.

rockdaddy

I bid by the foot and pay by the board. Evrything is bid based on 12s and before I stock I whack it up for 12, 14, 16, 54" etc. Whatever the footage is doesnt matter because everything is divided by 48 and broken in to twelves regardless. High work is charged double.

ozzyr60

i,ve used per sheet for myself to ball park but not to bill but people who use it are talking about 8 footers so if you mix your order of sheetrock up with other sizes you would have to adjust for it

rockdaddy

the trick is to find the right sqft number and make it work out for the labor by the board. It does get tricky with the math if you can't use a calculator.
Me personnally I pay the hangers by the board for the total footage and I pay my tapers by the finshed sqft. Hangers get more because they have to handle every peice.

silverstilts

what the hell do you do measure every piece of scrap to deduct for the finishers ? That is a load of crap... got to base your price on something and total hung should be good enough for the finishers also. that is the fair and proper way of doing it , there is no second guessing it.... do you deduct for the general contractor as well ? big mistake . the hangers handle it once the tapers have to give it 3 coats plus whatever else they have to do such as texture and sanding....what about a cut up job should get more in fact because of the extra time...

Custom Drywall Svc.

someone hand this man a cold beer.

you tell em stilts.

Darren@Partners

I hope he meant "showing footage" which would be the total delivered footage less smoke walls and first layers on two layer work. But I agree that tapers are on each foot three times vs. one. Taping here generally pays about 50% more than hanging.

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rockdaddy

Welcome to my world.
Here in Philadelphia, you have guys bidding jobs as low as .46 per sqft. The professional drywall estimator here is forced to look at every aspect of what is being bid and who he is bidding against. Right now in this economy, we have contractors coming from Va. Md. Ny. and as far away as Massachusetts coming in for wages to get the work.
Any drywall guy worth his salt knows exactly how many feet of finished product he is turning over. FAIR???? How is it fair to pay tapers for the built in waste factor for the job? Wate boards and buried boards are boards that the taper doesn't even touch. Why would you pay for something when you are not receiving for the money. That money is put to better use in my bank account.

rockdaddy

And for you guys who don't understand this "whole per sheet business", .46 per sqft comes out to $22.08 per sheet. Supplied, installed, scrapped, finished for paint, two touch ups, and a year end.
If I tried to charge what some of the guys in here get I would be lonlier than the maytag repairman.
Competition is a bitch especially when you are in this business.
Biggest finish trade on the job and you get paid like a laborer. Somedays I wonder why I chose this profession.

rockdaddy

I am guessing by the tone of the comments that there are a lot of tapers in here.
I agree that the finishers have more trips and spend more time on the job but you got to play the cards that are dealt. Builders and contractors here view drywall guys as interchangable parts to be switched on a whim.