Please clarify this "per sheet" business

Bevelation

Skimming through threads on here I get to understand most of the piecework pay rate goes by the sheet. Again, I read hero talk about finishing x00 sheets per week. What I want to know is:

What the sheet?

Are we talking 8's? 9's? 10's? 12's? If guys are getting paid 7 bucks a sheet for an 8, that's not bad, but too bad if it's a 12. I figure logically it would be by the 12, but telling from the ages of the stories told, only 8's existed then.

Please help.

Whitey97

I'll assume they're 12's and they don't get paid much for them. But that's what I personally think of the threads I read

Tim0282

I charge by the square foot. So it doesn't matter the size except it takes just as long to hang a 12 footer as an 8 footer and you don't cover as much or get paid as much. So it does matter... I never have bought into charging by the sheet. It is the same, I guess.

Whitey97

if they're 8's I charge 1.5x more

Bevelation

^I take it you don't like butt joints.

Bevelation

Do you wear your flip-flops to bed?

There are more variables to installation speed between an 8 and a 12, like amount of screws used per sheet, and stud/soundbar spacing, but that's really irrelevant.

I get paid by square foot too, but again since being on this site there are those that pay out on a per sheet basis. Yes I think it's hugely different between an 8 and a 12. Think about it. If Ames states you can finish 400 sheets per week using their automatic taping tools...is that 12,800 board feet or is it 19,200 board feet? Did they use 12's in the 70's? Is the same 8 foot benchmark being used today? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm just trying to understand fully the per sheet thing, and if it's changed in the past 40 years.

Diesel Drywall Inc.

I have been wondering the same thing when I read about per sheet pricing...Do you have a price per sheet for 8's 9's 10's 12's etc. Or is it 1 price for any size sheet? If it is 1 price for any size sheet someone is getting screwed either GC, HO or Hanger. A GC is basing the drywall budget by square ft. and if you are charging x amount for 12's and the job is all 8's how are you in the ball park? I especially dont understand how a finisher can use this method (If you did not hang the board) how do you know how many sheets? do you go around and count them...How do account for the sheets under 12'?

I am not bashing this method. I just don't to understand it.

Tim0282

Have to agree with both of you. I prefer by the foot and I prefer to furnish the rock and have my guys hang. Then I know how many sheets and how many feet. Whether we use 8,9,10,12,14 foot rock. And I know how many screws to buy and cases of glue and beads and tape and AP mud and Light mud and bags of texture or not and rosin paper and masking tape and plastic. I don't like to rely on some other guy buying what we need to do the job. And if they bought what I asked them to. We walk in with the rock and haul the scrap away and it is swept and ready for the painter when we leave.

Muddauber

Every time I read something on here about " per sheet ", I have to go grab my calculator and try to figure it out. I figure everything by sq.ft. When I load a job it's 8,9,10,12,and 14s. So # of sheets mean nothing to me.
I don't even know what I pay for a 4x 12. I just know what I pay per sq. ft.

Whitey97

More mud, more time = $$$$

of course unless there is no other way of having it stocked, then I'm a little more understanding

Bevelation

BAAAAAAAAAM! Amen.

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A+ Texture LLC

If I did a per sheet price I would go by 10's, just to try to average out the 8, 10, and 12' sheets. But I try to price out a job by the foot not the sheet. Plus most homes here are 54" and only come in 12's.

silverstilts

Its the same with other materials you don't just call the lumber yard and ask how much for a 2x4 same with rock it is based on per thousand like most bldg materials , if you hang rock and tape 12' board of course it should cost more than 8' or 10' simple concept .

tapingfool

I have been doing some commercial work for a painter and He pays me 9.00 per board, they are all 9 ft standups and no bead, he supplies all materials. I have done x hundred boards per week, so 9x4= 36 sq ft per 9 ft board. If I tape 200 boards, I have taped 200x 36= 7200 square feet..I charge more or less depending on the height of the ceiling.

Custom Drywall Svc.

hahah, you know i agree.

i know this is most likely the region you are from.......but in my area, we ALWAYS refer to piecework as PER TOTAL SQ FT

never 'per sheet' or whatever.........

just like Bevelation says, how the hell do you know what size ppl are even talkin about? its just too much ambiguity...for me at least.

id be interested to hear other ppls opinions on this as well, this is one of the things that bugged me when i first joined on here hahhahah....to keep reading about people referring to piecework as 'per sheet' etc etc.

Custom Drywall Svc.

good point again.

first off, just off the top of MY head..........i can hang 8's by myself (not like i do this, but just making a point).

ask me to hang 12's by myself?....no way.

so, yes....HUGE difference.

Custom Drywall Svc.

yuuuup. this is the 'ambiguous' part i was talking about above.

this 'per sheet' jargon is just TOO confusing for everyone.

sam wilsee

Well the general rule is if your getting paid it goes like this if it's an 8 footer 8X4=96 then you times that by 96x__whatever your getting paid per foot and if it's a 54" then you 54X12=648 then 648X__whatever your getting paid per foot...
EG.
8X4=96----->96 X the number of 8's you have
9X4=36------>36 X the number of 9's you have
10X4=40----->etc.
12X4=48----->etc.
14X4=56----->etc.
54X12=648--->etc
add up all your board feet minus any board that's left behind and times that by the number your geting paid per foot and their you go.
Some drywall company will pay you a base price of X cent's a foot and it goes up penny for every high part,arche's and other thing's

alltex

now i am confused too!