Paper or Mesh?

Tim0282

We wouldn't need paper or mesh if we all used Vario mud_______ So now what do we do?? Earthquakes.... bad cowboy tapers... south of the border guys two days and done...None of it would matter. We'd all be rich just leaving out all of the tape------>>>>>

Capt-sheetrock

I agree Tim,, If your gonna use HOT MUD just skip the mesh, cause its the hot mud and not the mesh that is holding. Being as mesh does absolutely NOTHING

DSJOHN

It does one thing Capt----it eats into your profits

Capt-sheetrock

Your my HERO !!!!!!!!

Tim0282

Have you ever heard anyone defend paper tape as hard as some defend mesh tape? Hmmm.... Is there a reason for that? I think so.

kgphoto

Why yes, actually. Right here on this thread.

silverstilts

I think it is time for a new debate... What do you guys think?

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Capt-sheetrock

YES ,AMEN, your RIGHT !!!!!!!

Tim0282

wnybassman

I think you guys can squeeze another few pages out of this thread

rhardman

Nooooo!!!!!

Don't do it!!!!

Another debate option...

How about going political? Is the terrorists fantasy of 72 "know nothing" crying virgins better than one good woman that really knows what she's doing?

Oh, uh, sorry....maybe that's another forum altogether...

SlimPickins

Hi, I'm new here and it looks like no one has commented on this thread for a couple of months. I really felt (after reading 13 pages) that I was close to making a decision on which was better in the paper vs. mesh debate.

It seems to me that one or the other should be crowned king for all situations for this debate to be over...and I don't believe anyone mentioned adding a glue product to the setting compound to increase flexibility to reduce the potential for cracking. I've always thought of mesh as rebar for hot mud, but upon reflection I recall seeing an awful lot of cracks in concrete. It would be interesting to develop a polymer that was flexible, easily applicable, and sandable. I once used a waterproof joint compound and that stuff was an absolute nightmare in every respect, but it repelled water.

I'm certainly not an advocate for doing large scale production work with glass tape, but it has it's uses and I'm quite fond of it for certain applications.

Thank you all so much for letting me chime in.

VANMAN

Hey Tooledup what fast set u using since we r from the same neck of the woods? Dryin is a c££t at the moment and started using mesh again with gyproc bagged filler workin good but not sure about the long term!! USG do a durabond filler thast ment 2 b tuff stuff but still tryin 2 get my hands on it!

muddermankc

I just use mesh on patches, it does finish out better for me. Also mesh my metal bead,paper for everything else. Im not saying that some guy somewhere hasnt mastered the art of meshing angles but i wouldnt do it,even if no one was looking,lol

VANMAN

Yea chief same here paper all the time but our weather is sh*t! Takes at least 3 weeks using paper at this time of year if u dont want the tape sinking a week or so later!! Then people think u have done a sh*t job! If u hurray it u leave sh*t but if u wait so its right dry ur takin 2 long Not an easy trade at this time of year

VANMAN

Yea im with u there i had an old house that was breeze block walls plastered over! It was built in 1970 odd and the cracks were everywhere,i fiba taped them and back they came After that paper taped them never 2 b seen again

VANMAN

I would like 2 ask u a question,Why do u guys over the pond get away with just using 10" box then a 12" box when we need the 7,10 and 12 over here?

VANMAN

Its got nothing 2 do with if u can tear it with ur hands!! The way i see it is that mesh is open fibers i.e little squares and they dont and cant cover the seam! Paper covers the lot so cant crack!!

2buckcanuck

probably just the mud you using,we have some really nice products over here.they leave very little pin holes etc....and do not shrink too much.I would say it's more important to have better materials than tools......kind of.
and not that I use them that much,but we have easy sand hotmuds too

2buckcanuck

also,try reading up on boxes on here,There's so many different ways.some go , 8 then 10,some go 7,10,12.others go 10,12,7,I go double 10 while wet,then 12 when dry,will even skim that by hand if it is a sunshine wall.I know one taper who goes double 8" when wet,then goes 12".It's what works for you and what materials you have at your disposal ,so happy reading