Paper or Mesh?

Capt-sheetrock · 05-28-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kgphoto

Actually you misrepresent or misunderstand my position. I never said "mesh was better", not once!

What I did say was, properly used, with the correct mud, it works just fine. Also, for small jobs, ie bathroom remodels, it is faster for me to install as I am going to use hot mud any way. Finally, although, I don't use mesh in corners, there are systems that have been developed to do just that.

There is nothing wrong with paper. There are just other choices available now that do have some advantages depending on the specific situation.

Now in addition to standard mesh tape, you have Fiba Fuse and the Pronto tape (which I don't care for at all).

So to be clear, I never said paper was "bad" or that mesh was "better". Paper has a lower cost per linear foot, so that is a big drive toward it's use. Everyone complains about the cost of the new choices. You can see that in these forums as well as the others.

The biggest problem with mesh tape is all the "pro drywallers" (a made-up word) and DIY's, handmen, hardware store employees and home owners who use General Purpose mud with mesh tape. Of course it will crack then.

Kirk, you really are a daisy !!!

kgphoto · 05-28-2010, 11:14 PM

Just trying to keep it real.

Tim0282 · 05-28-2010, 11:15 PM

Say KG, how do you feel about being called a daisy?

Don't think I have ever been called a daisy. Is that good or is that not good?

kgphoto · 05-28-2010, 11:18 PM

In the grand scheme of things, it matters not. What am I going to do? Reach through the net and slap him silly? He knows that is impossible, hence the willingness to engage.

Tim0282 · 05-28-2010, 11:19 PM

You are right.
I do think it is a compliment.

Capt-sheetrock · 05-28-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim0282

You are right.
I do think it is a compliment.

Acutually, it is a term from the civil war period,,,, Its the same as calling someone "gay"

In the case of KG, it may well be a compliment !!!

kgphoto · 05-29-2010, 03:24 AM

Actually, I am a pretty positive person. And I am pretty positive you are a scoundrel.

carpentaper · 05-30-2010, 12:08 AM

STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

betterdrywall · 05-30-2010, 04:18 AM

Kirk... Mesh is bad... and so is,,, the Buttaper.....

rhardman · 05-30-2010, 06:59 AM

A wise man once said....

Quote:

Originally Posted by carpentaper

STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

Tim0282 · 05-30-2010, 02:35 PM

Trying to pick a new fight, aren't you, Betterdrywall?? Go for it!!

kgphoto · 05-30-2010, 05:59 PM

Mesh is fine, when used properly. And not just because some of our members here are designing tools that use it.

Use the correct tool for the job and use it properly because that is what professionals do. They know what they need for THEM to get the job done. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and many paths to the top of the mountain.

There, I didn't mention the Butt Taper once.

Capt-sheetrock · 05-30-2010, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgphoto

There is more than one way to skin a cat,

LOL, and the cat ain't gonna like any of em,,,,

cazna · 05-31-2010, 02:22 AM

Mesh is a great product, love it, it does me a lot of favours.
Becouse its CRAP, It cracks and brakes at the slightest fart someone dares to drop (well not quite that bad anyway)
So if someone uses mesh it plays up, people call me, i fix it, they love me, Im the man, dont call that other arse of a plasterer just call me.
Prob dosent help that nz is an earthquake prone spot.
So thankyou mesh, you make me money

Kiwiman · 05-31-2010, 04:16 AM

We don't get earthquakes over this side, I can only recall feeling one about 15 years ago when I was p1ss crook from the night before

, I was up a ladder working inside my house, I felt all woozy then thought oh crap I'm going to pass out up the ladder, then I turned around and saw the door swinging and thought oh crap, the house was haunted...and I'm going to pass out up the ladder, when I finally realized what it was it had finished.

cazna · 05-31-2010, 04:48 AM

We get a couple of shakes a year, and we overdue for a big one, so the experts say, oh well plenty of cracks to fix then.
You might have had the piss crook spins, thats never good.
Anyway, Yay mesh, you suck, we still have cowboys show up using mesh and knock a house out in record time then bugger off again, the owners move in to there lovely new home and opps i farted, there goes another crack in the ceiling.
I cant believe anyone worth there salt would use the junk, the builders crack leaves and the drywall cracks move in.

Frankawitz · 05-31-2010, 09:45 AM

You know you guys on the west coast should try using Durabond 90 if your having cracks every few months to deal with, the Durabond will hold tight, but depending on how much the house is moving. well I would say it's a crap shoot.

I would just look at it as Bread and Butter work, I would Specialize in just crack repairs, I wouldn't give any guarantees, How could you really. I have done plaster repairs for 30 years and just going around and fixing cracks, water damage, paint peeling, matching textures and retexturing
whole ceilings or walls. It always gave me a lot of work over the years.
Sounds like a good market to be in. As for the Mesh or Paper Tape who cares just Fix It! and hope you can make some money at it, and who knows you may pick up a Customer who will call you anytime there is something wrong at their house or Business.

rhardman · 05-31-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankawitz

Y... As for the Mesh or Paper Tape who cares just Fix It! and hope you can make some money at it...

Durabond 90 is great.
And in regard to, .."who cares just Fix It!..."
Amen...

Stormy_Ny · 05-31-2010, 02:48 PM

I have done 2 huge jobs for the same guy now .....His method for taping is Durabond 90 and Mesh on all seams and butts. Butts get Mesh and Paper.

Having the opportunity to paint over the finish work .... The only cracks there are, are vertical inside corners taped with paper. I say caulk the suckers !

kgphoto · 05-31-2010, 04:12 PM

I am fortunate to live where we have had some big quakes a few years apart, and a bunch of smaller ones in between.

Applying mesh with hot mud, hasn't cracked in any of the small quakes and not all repairs or seams even on the big ones. They guys who have problems with mesh working are those who don't set it in hot mud. That just makes more repair work for me. Yaa!

05-28-2010, 11:14 PM	#222
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05-31-2010, 02:22 AM	#234
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05-31-2010, 04:16 AM	#235
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05-31-2010, 04:48 AM	#236
cazna View Profile cazna Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,794) Photos (1) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: Drywall and decorating Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,794 Thanks: 277 Thanked 516 Times in 326 Posts	Re: Paper or Mesh? We get a couple of shakes a year, and we overdue for a big one, so the experts say, oh well plenty of cracks to fix then. You might have had the piss crook spins, thats never good. Anyway, Yay mesh, you suck, we still have cowboys show up using mesh and knock a house out in record time then bugger off again, the owners move in to there lovely new home and opps i farted, there goes another crack in the ceiling. I cant believe anyone worth there salt would use the junk, the builders crack leaves and the drywall cracks move in.

05-31-2010, 09:45 AM	#237
Frankawitz View Profile Frankawitz Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (112) Photos (7) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: Plaster/Drywall/Painting Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Paper or Mesh? You know you guys on the west coast should try using Durabond 90 if your having cracks every few months to deal with, the Durabond will hold tight, but depending on how much the house is moving. well I would say it's a crap shoot. I would just look at it as Bread and Butter work, I would Specialize in just crack repairs, I wouldn't give any guarantees, How could you really. I have done plaster repairs for 30 years and just going around and fixing cracks, water damage, paint peeling, matching textures and retexturing whole ceilings or walls. It always gave me a lot of work over the years. Sounds like a good market to be in. As for the Mesh or Paper Tape who cares just Fix It! and hope you can make some money at it, and who knows you may pick up a Customer who will call you anytime there is something wrong at their house or Business.

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05-31-2010, 04:12 PM	#240
kgphoto View Profile kgphoto New member, old worker Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (128) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity New member, old worker Trade: General Remodeler Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: LA, CA Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Paper or Mesh? I am fortunate to live where we have had some big quakes a few years apart, and a bunch of smaller ones in between. Applying mesh with hot mud, hasn't cracked in any of the small quakes and not all repairs or seams even on the big ones. They guys who have problems with mesh working are those who don't set it in hot mud. That just makes more repair work for me. Yaa!

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