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Old 05-21-2010, 08:53 AM   #201
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This is exactly why the forum should be locked because half of you are not a drywall professional.

Mesh is for hacks and what to be's

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Old 05-21-2010, 02:05 PM   #202
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Hey Mudstar.... The saying goes.... wanna be's, not what to be's....
Either way, I must agree with you to a point.
This sure makes for a fun discussion, don't ya think? Good entertainment.
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i'm aware that even my user name probably bothers a lot of the sensitive "pure" drywallers.
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I got the point I was on JLC exactly 3 times. I was stating a fact and found it interesting that this thread has been going on for 2 years.

At the same time giving my opinion that I don't use either mesh or paper when I finish. As I am sure you have noticed before I finish without tape. Because it is not my daily job as yours I appreciate all the expertism(not Sarcasim) that I read here. Unfortunately when writing in a forum its hard to see the other persons expressions. It is my daily ritual to check this forum every morning when I come into my office as I enjoy it so much. I believe in practical experience and not what the book or bunch of bumbling executives think they know.
Ie. GA association quotes. Or manufacture quotes these are recommendations to keep them from getting sued or as a warrenty factor. Some are backed by single testers or what there customers or guys like yourself have inputed over the years but not all. And if they listen to the guys with as much experience as you or others here the Codes would be much simpler to understand. When you are on the job its a whole different world as to what you learn in theory.
Back to Paper or Mesh Tape. That is the thread here and I am interested to hear experiences in this subject. Which will help me when I do have to use either of them.

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I agree with you completely, that is why I bother to reply to KG. There is a way to do it, and then there is a way to experiment with it. KG is a hack that tries to bully his beginner ideas on a pro forum. If he knew what he was doing, I would not have an issue with him.

For example, I have been doing this for near 30 years, he figures since he tried a new tool last week, I don't have a clue.

Think about that !!
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i'm aware that even my user name probably bothers a lot of the sensitive "pure" drywallers.
I hear ya,, I post over in the paint forum as "capt-sheetrock" they think I'm a hack and a lowballer, (which to them, I guess i am) !!!!

But like Rodney said,,,, I just don't get no respect,,, LOL
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Whats the name of that paint forum Capt? Might check it out.
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Whats the name of that paint forum Capt? Might check it out.
honestly your kidding I hope?
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I agree with you completely, that is why I bother to reply to KG. There is a way to do it, and then there is a way to experiment with it. KG is a hack that tries to bully his beginner ideas on a pro forum. If he knew what he was doing, I would not have an issue with him.

For example, I have been doing this for near 30 years, he figures since he tried a new tool last week, I don't have a clue.

Think about that !!
Capt, you are the bully who tries to intimidate those who don't agree with you. While we may agree on many things, when we don't I do provide back up for my "opinion" from industry standards and codes.

You 30 years certainly means something, but not everything. Many things that are available now, weren't available 30 years ago.

Sure I try new things and I tell the results like it is. If it is good and it does the job it is advertised to do, then great. If it doesn't, I would say so. Anyone can read our exchanges and decide for themselves which comments are contributions and which are not, by either of us.

No one has to take anything you or I say or the tools we prefer or don't at face value. You don't seem to wan them to have that opportunity. I am all for hearing about your experience with drywall, but your ignorant personal opinions of my ability is a waste of space on this and all forums. You may not like my opinon, and you are not required to, but I do back them up.
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woohoo there KG! Spoken like a well rounded pro!
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I do provide back up for my "opinion" from industry standards and codes.
I'll let you know couple things about mesh. Its not industry standard and is not to code

If its not to "csa a82.31" then its not right period.

Google it you might just learn something ppl because it looks like no one really knows anyways.

I hope this ends the debate

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I guess it depends on who's code you are going to follow. Canada code isn't the choice here in Los Angeles. I will tell you that the LA building code continued to recommend Green Board, for a while after USG stopped recommending it's use as a direct backer for tile installations in wet areas.

We all know that code systems are slow to update to new materials and is the MINIMUM standard you can build to. In other words, you built to code? Congratulations, you got a D-.

So the AHJ ( Authority having jurisdiction) is the final say in what goes. So either go with their prescriptive code or have your engineer/architect specify and stamp ( take responsibility for) the installation.
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Industry standards? Like wet sanding to keep dust to a minimum? Let,s get real,industry standards are a joke- try using that term in small claims court,good luck, and the original question--- mesh tape SUCKS!!! It,s original intentions were for plaster and some educated counter person starting pushing it off as drywall tape!! Research!!! DSJOHN
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John,

Mesh tape definitely came from plaster. Drywall was in response to the need to make houses faster for returning war veterans. None of those facts affect the usability of the mediums discussed.

Codes don't speak to wet or dry sanding. They let the installer choose whatever he wants as long as he achieves the prescribed results.
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John,

Mesh tape definitely came from plaster. Drywall was in response to the need to make houses faster for returning war veterans. None of those facts affect the usability of the mediums discussed.

Codes don't speak to wet or dry sanding. They let the installer choose whatever he wants as long as he achieves the prescribed results.
Kg,,,,, your a daisy,,,,,, a real asset
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Do your research, codes most definitely spell out wet sanding[or should I clarify zero dust] maybe you havent had the opportunity to work on any of these buildings that state it in the specs.Too much residential? DSJOHN
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From mesh vs paper to sanding.

I thought that sanding was on another thread?
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There is no such thing as Mesh vs. Paper to begin with,,, Mesh will never be a replacement for Paper tape at all period,, and as I have stated before,, it does have some uses,, and is handy to have, But to tape a complete home out with it is just insane . or even an addition on a remodeling job.
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Kgphoto all I would like to say to you is you seem to think mesh is of a higher quality than paper. How long have you been taping what makes you think this? I've been taping for 15 year custom homes I know some of the families living in the houses,On a constant basis I've done celebrity homes and desiner homes that appear in magazines,I'm about to start a 30,000 sq ft home. The point is I've visited theses houses, very lg rooms painted ceilings and dark colors are the hardest to tape and my work still holds up after many years. Ask any pro and listen we actually know what we are talking about from our experiences.
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Do your research, codes most definitely spell out wet sanding[or should I clarify zero dust] maybe you havent had the opportunity to work on any of these buildings that state it in the specs.Too much residential? DSJOHN
John,

Please quote the codes you are referencing. By this I mean cut and paste the section to this forum. Not all of our readers will have access to the code you are going to reference.
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Kgphoto all I would like to say to you is you seem to think mesh is of a higher quality than paper. How long have you been taping what makes you think this? I've been taping for 15 year custom homes I know some of the families living in the houses,On a constant basis I've done celebrity homes and desiner homes that appear in magazines,I'm about to start a 30,000 sq ft home. The point is I've visited theses houses, very lg rooms painted ceilings and dark colors are the hardest to tape and my work still holds up after many years. Ask any pro and listen we actually know what we are talking about from our experiences.
Actually you misrepresent or misunderstand my position. I never said "mesh was better", not once!

What I did say was, properly used, with the correct mud, it works just fine. Also, for small jobs, ie bathroom remodels, it is faster for me to install as I am going to use hot mud any way. Finally, although, I don't use mesh in corners, there are systems that have been developed to do just that.

There is nothing wrong with paper. There are just other choices available now that do have some advantages depending on the specific situation.

Now in addition to standard mesh tape, you have Fiba Fuse and the Pronto tape (which I don't care for at all).

So to be clear, I never said paper was "bad" or that mesh was "better". Paper has a lower cost per linear foot, so that is a big drive toward it's use. Everyone complains about the cost of the new choices. You can see that in these forums as well as the others.

The biggest problem with mesh tape is all the "pro drywallers" (a made-up word) and DIY's, handmen, hardware store employees and home owners who use General Purpose mud with mesh tape. Of course it will crack then.
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