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The Happy Taper
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
This is exactly why the forum should be locked because half of you are not a drywall professional.
Mesh is for hacks and what to be's |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
Hey Mudstar.... The saying goes.... wanna be's, not what to be's....
Either way, I must agree with you to a point. This sure makes for a fun discussion, don't ya think? Good entertainment. |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
i'm aware that even my user name probably bothers a lot of the sensitive "pure" drywallers.
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Re: Paper or Mesh?Quote:
For example, I have been doing this for near 30 years, he figures since he tried a new tool last week, I don't have a clue. Think about that !! |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?Quote:
But like Rodney said,,,, I just don't get no respect,,, LOL |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
Whats the name of that paint forum Capt? Might check it out.
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Re: Paper or Mesh?Quote:
You 30 years certainly means something, but not everything. Many things that are available now, weren't available 30 years ago. Sure I try new things and I tell the results like it is. If it is good and it does the job it is advertised to do, then great. If it doesn't, I would say so. Anyone can read our exchanges and decide for themselves which comments are contributions and which are not, by either of us. No one has to take anything you or I say or the tools we prefer or don't at face value. You don't seem to wan them to have that opportunity. I am all for hearing about your experience with drywall, but your ignorant personal opinions of my ability is a waste of space on this and all forums. You may not like my opinon, and you are not required to, but I do back them up. |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
woohoo there KG!
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Re: Paper or Mesh?Quote:
If its not to "csa a82.31" then its not right period. Google it you might just learn something ppl because it looks like no one really knows anyways. I hope this ends the debate Last edited by Mudstar; 05-22-2010 at 05:05 PM. |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
I guess it depends on who's code you are going to follow. Canada code isn't the choice here in Los Angeles. I will tell you that the LA building code continued to recommend Green Board, for a while after USG stopped recommending it's use as a direct backer for tile installations in wet areas.
We all know that code systems are slow to update to new materials and is the MINIMUM standard you can build to. In other words, you built to code? Congratulations, you got a D-. So the AHJ ( Authority having jurisdiction) is the final say in what goes. So either go with their prescriptive code or have your engineer/architect specify and stamp ( take responsibility for) the installation. |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
Industry standards? Like wet sanding to keep dust to a minimum? Let,s get real,industry standards are a joke- try using that term in small claims court,good luck, and the original question--- mesh tape SUCKS!!! It,s original intentions were for plaster and some educated counter person starting pushing it off as drywall tape!! Research!!! DSJOHN
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
John,
Mesh tape definitely came from plaster. Drywall was in response to the need to make houses faster for returning war veterans. None of those facts affect the usability of the mediums discussed. Codes don't speak to wet or dry sanding. They let the installer choose whatever he wants as long as he achieves the prescribed results. |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
Do your research, codes most definitely spell out wet sanding[or should I clarify zero dust] maybe you havent had the opportunity to work on any of these buildings that state it in the specs.Too much residential? DSJOHN
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
From mesh vs paper to sanding.
I thought that sanding was on another thread? |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
There is no such thing as Mesh vs. Paper to begin with,,, Mesh will never be a replacement for Paper tape at all period,, and as I have stated before,, it does have some uses,, and is handy to have, But to tape a complete home out with it is just insane . or even an addition on a remodeling job.
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Re: Paper or Mesh?
Kgphoto all I would like to say to you is you seem to think mesh is of a higher quality than paper. How long have you been taping what makes you think this? I've been taping for 15 year custom homes I know some of the families living in the houses,On a constant basis I've done celebrity homes and desiner homes that appear in magazines,I'm about to start a 30,000 sq ft home. The point is I've visited theses houses, very lg rooms painted ceilings and dark colors are the hardest to tape and my work still holds up after many years. Ask any pro and listen we actually know what we are talking about from our experiences.
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Re: Paper or Mesh?Quote:
Please quote the codes you are referencing. By this I mean cut and paste the section to this forum. Not all of our readers will have access to the code you are going to reference. |
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Re: Paper or Mesh?Quote:
What I did say was, properly used, with the correct mud, it works just fine. Also, for small jobs, ie bathroom remodels, it is faster for me to install as I am going to use hot mud any way. Finally, although, I don't use mesh in corners, there are systems that have been developed to do just that. There is nothing wrong with paper. There are just other choices available now that do have some advantages depending on the specific situation. Now in addition to standard mesh tape, you have Fiba Fuse and the Pronto tape (which I don't care for at all). So to be clear, I never said paper was "bad" or that mesh was "better". Paper has a lower cost per linear foot, so that is a big drive toward it's use. Everyone complains about the cost of the new choices. You can see that in these forums as well as the others. The biggest problem with mesh tape is all the "pro drywallers" (a made-up word) and DIY's, handmen, hardware store employees and home owners who use General Purpose mud with mesh tape. Of course it will crack then. |
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