Pan and Knife or Halk and Trowel?

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Hey MudMaster... all I do is piece work...as a white chick...maybe I do not understsand the Toronto term for piece work, but I wouldn't mind meeting Mike Holmes and licking him in the teeth. Besides all the B.S. we bid all of our jobs no T & M

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Bottom Line...doesn't really matter now does it as long as we had some respect for the teachers! As students we are going to go out and try our own things whether we come back to what we originally learned or some offspring doesn't really matter as long as the finished product is the same...perfect

silverstilts

Everyone has there preferences , I do believe the hawk and trowel was most likely a carry over from the old plastering but that is neither here nor there , it is how you use them you can argue all you want there are pros and cons on both , i use to use a hawk and trowel now just strictly a knife man and i like the new knives for the weight but don't use them still use the old gold-b wooden handle which will not bow as much as the new knives , just something i grew accustom to , and the only one i use is a 10" which i don't seem to see the need to go to a 12 or wider , can do super work no matter how wide i have to go on the seams just something i learned . I had a worker that told me once the guy that trained him in started him out on butt seams if it didn't look right he made him go to a smaller knife until it was done right , sounds kinda backwards but helped him master a good technique for finishing. To each his own as long as it works who cares and , who is to say anything right!!!!!!

Darren@Partners

Strictly matter of personal preference in my humble opinion, but I (& all my finishers) use pan and knife. I was taught w/ hawk and crown trowel for butts, however if you check hi/lo sides of butt doesn't matter except finished product. I still use hawk and straight trowel on hand textures. My finishers do not own a hawk or trowel.

joepro0000

We can look at the gods of drywall stores, like Ames, and all they sell is knifes and pans. Ames has one of the best knifes, (with the yellow handle). So we know Knifes and Pans is know the drywaller tools. Hawks and Trowels are only the old plasters tools or masons/stucco guys.

brdn_drywall

ya i geuss i was apprenticed by an old dog that was born a taper like his old man was, had it in my hands for to many years to really give the pan and knife proper consieration, but if it isn't broke why fix it.

Bevelation

^I was apprenticed in Canada, where even the 1 out of 20 pan and knife guys own a hawk and trowel. It's not like I had the choice, but the tool of choice is obvious to me. Don't worry, pal. You're not alone.Only.....

Fascinating contrast from what is seen where I am as opposed to where you're seated.

Ames may be drywall gods where you are, but they aren't hot stuff here. There's maybe one rental outlet here for Ames tools to cover a 2 million + population in the area. Maybe if it was 1959, I'd agree with your statement.

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Ames started in 1939.

Bevelation

That's excellent and totally covered the point I didn't make.

Whitey97

I use a pan and knife (6") to touch up, and wiping tape, that's it. Other than that, it's all hauk and trowel. The only guys that use wide knifes are the "hacks" I was taught that a 6" was made to sit in your back pocket.

ThatDrywallGuy

Hehe, thats funny.

Whitey97

Well, that's what I was taught, personally, to each their own. Whatever you can make work, go for it. Who am I to say. I was also taught by an olde tyme, drunk half the time @$$ hole, however he was very precise, so I took what I could get for skills.

joepro0000

Yep you where thought by "keyword" old timer. Meaning he obviously never crossed over to the drywall finishing era, and probably was stuck in the plaster/lath/hawk/throwel generation.

Whitey97

Well, personally I still prefer my hawk and trowel, honestly. I've tried other methods. I always seem to go back to my faithful 14"

Bevelation

Associating such a "keyword" to drywall finishing would surprise you knowing how popular hawk and trowel use has become within just drywall "finishing".

Use of h/t by anyone now regardless of age doesn't indicate one bit whether or not they are stuck in some plaster era. It's simply a preference. No amount of "hero" talk is going to help, either way.

Bevelation

Know what's really funny?

I actually thought you were Myron Ferguson.

ThatDrywallGuy

i hope your not let down

people have been calling me that forever. i didnt even know there was a Myron Ferguson till about a month ago, when i seen the JLC forums.

i wondered if someone would be confused, i guess this answers that. lol

Myron is probably freezing his butt joints off in NY and im in Florida
and im Much,Much prettierlol

Chris

MudMaster

totally agree

Whitey97

I was putzing with a knife and pan today... yes, on a sunday. I feel like I personally have more leverage and control with a h/t. I don't have to use as much force. I dunno.....

Bevelation

Confused? no
Insulted? We...heh...elllll...that's another story.

He uses h/t, too. That's why I was taken aback by your first post stating you've never even seen, let alone used a trowel in use by a taper.