Joint compound Testers needed - Drywall Talk - Professional Drywall and Finishing Contractors Forum

rebel20 · 11-20-2009, 04:40 AM

Our new company located in Lexington NC is distributing a new product to the states. In all aspects it’s a Tapeless Joint Compound. Vario Joint Compound was developed in 1985 by Rigips Germany as a fast setting chemical dry compound for use with or without tape. It is applied by hand although tests have been done using a 7” box it is not recommended. The application process is cut almost in half when using hand tools through the drying time and not requiring tape, although with fibreglass tape the added process time is minimal. The difference in the width of the application is the key where as normal mud requires 8-12” of application Vario requires 6-8” on the factory joints and requires 18- 24” on the butt joints Vario is 4-8” thus less material application, saving time saving $. Then again we have to look at the variables if the board is not hung right i.e. bowed, edges not aligned and so forth under these circumstances no mud is going to save time. You ask what the difference is between Vario and other fast setting compounds, for one it is paintable.

The bed coat is applied then 30-40 minutes later rough edges scraped using a drywall knife, second coat is applied, rough edges scraped, light sand if needed and then painted all within a process of 3 to 4 hours. This is a perfect setting for remodel, repairs (drywall or plaster) and new construction. I have filled holes up to 3” in diameter with out tape and 2 applications. We have tested the product ourselves in 2007 at the University of North Carolina Greensboro. With boxes, over paint (no Bubbles) covered Ink and black marker (no bleed through), filled holes up to 3” (no cracks because of thickness), plaster crack repairs, built a construction and shook by hand after 3 weeks got hairline crack by shaking the hell out of the construction with 15” of movement. We have sample bags and buckets for anyone who is willing to give it a try at no cost we will pay for shipping as well. I know the situation out there is hard and risks are not wanted, trying it in a closet or even in your own house or garage or basement is sufficient to give and honest feedback of the product negative or positive. One can not improve a product only on positive feedback. I would appreciate this very much. If interested in testing send me a PM and I will arrange for you to receive sample product.

Rebel

A+ Texture LLC · 11-20-2009, 11:00 PM

Would you recomend it for a "marriage line" in a modular or doublewide? And how would you compare its strength to something like sheetrocks hot mud?

rebel20 · 11-21-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A+ Texture LLC

Would you recomend it for a "marriage line" in a modular or doublewide? And how would you compare its strength to something like sheetrocks hot mud?

Yes,
And it is stronger according to All American homes of Indiana we sent them to test and the results were finished, through the production line, to the crane ,on the truck to the job site 150 miles away no cracks. according to the finisher if that would have been sheetrocks hotmud or durabond would have had at least 40 cracks to repair. First mud he ever seen make down the line no cracks. Application was Vario no tape as bed coat and finish mud 1 coat level 4. Vario was 6- 8" and finish coat was 10- 12" thats the way they wanted it.

**silverstilts** · 11-21-2009, 09:18 AM

Have you used it on any high end jobs or any commercial applications ? just curious .

rebel20 · 11-21-2009, 09:43 AM

yes as said above
Theatre/Auditorium UNCG Greensboro, NC
There was actually a test done on the orcestra pit ceiling, one half was done with Hotmud and tape the other with our mud you could see the joint lines on the hotmud side no joint on the vario side. here is a pickture of the foyer ceiling where the supervisor won $100 bet with the Arcitect because of the lighting the Acrhitect said no matter what mud was used you would see the joints.

rebel20 · 11-21-2009, 09:52 AM

It is also being used in canada on high end houses Level 4 /5 as well as here in germany on all types of commercial and residential projects. Had a museem here in Berlin designed by Frank Gehry renowned Architect out of California.

TonyM · 11-21-2009, 10:47 AM

How can you paint a joint that has had two coats of compound after 4 hours? It might be set, but it certainly won't be dry.
I think I used this Rigips stuff on a job in Hamburg in 1993. Is set really hard and quickly and came in small bags.

rebel20 · 11-21-2009, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyM

How can you paint a joint that has had two coats of compound after 4 hours? It might be set, but it certainly won't be dry.
I think I used this Rigips stuff on a job in Hamburg in 1993. Is set really hard and quickly and came in small bags.

I don't recall using the word dry in my description. Due to the Polymers it is paintable after it sets.

To that point you may have used the 30 min which was back then there is now a 45 min. It has been improved on over the last 15 years.

Mr. Mud Man · 11-21-2009, 07:08 PM

- Does it come in different set times other than 30 and 45?
- If you spot your screws with it how many times do you need to coat them? (In the picture it looks like you only hit them once.)
- How thick can you apply it?
- What is cost per bag and how much do you get per bag?
- What is the average coverage per bag? (How many sheets)

Look forward to trying it!

rebel20 · 11-22-2009, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Mud Man

- Does it come in different set times other than 30 and 45?

- If you spot your screws with it how many times do you need to coat them? (In the picture it looks like you only hit them once.)
- How thick can you apply it?
- What is cost per bag and how much do you get per bag?
- What is the average coverage per bag? (How many sheets)
Look forward to trying it!

-Not at this time we have the 45 in states.

-Actually that was the case all depends on the application.

-Recommended is up to 2" after that can't garantee allthough I have filled a 3" hole in Plaster no cracks.

-Cost per bag is on web site sent you a PM. Bags are 11lb and 55lb
A 1 lb 2lb and 10lb bucket for small repairs.

-Around 400sq/ft per 11lb. and around 1600 to 2000 sq/ft per 55lb depending on application.

Rebel

Mr. Mud Man · 11-22-2009, 10:36 AM

I was looking around the site and saw it talking about a tool to trim the butt joints. Is that anything like the butt taper tool?
http://www.butttaper.com/video.htm

If not is there any way I could get ahold of one to try? I have a big job comming up where I'd love to give this a shot. Thanks.

Tim

rebel20 · 11-23-2009, 02:52 AM

Actuallly its similar to a rasp except it has two blades, cuts a 45°/23° on the butt edges. here in germany they acually make a board with what they call the Vario edge. I will have one sent with the mud.

rebel20 · 11-25-2009, 11:11 AM

Guy's that got or are receiving samples, if you have any questions before application send me a PM you should be receiving them today or tomorrow.

Rebel

poconorock · 12-01-2009, 08:13 PM

Please send me a sample of this product. I am interested in trying it out on an upcomming job that is time sensitive. If I can save on the taping, I can save on time and therefore money.

Historic Walls
114 Shawnee Rd.
Shohola, Pa. 18458

Thanks! I'll supply feedback.

rebel20 · 12-15-2009, 03:56 AM

your welcome you should allready have it

rebel20 · 12-21-2009, 02:34 PM

Those of you who just requested samples they are on the way

Rebel

EZCOMPOUNDER · 12-29-2009, 10:56 AM

Wish your web site was also in english

rebel20 · 12-31-2009, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZCOMPOUNDER

Wish your web site was also in english

Our web site is in english you were probably looking at the manufacturers web site.

Want to wish all a Happy new year and a prosperous 2010

And a thanks to those that have tested or unfortunatly waiting for jobs to come to test I await your results

Rebel

akcajun · 12-31-2009, 11:34 PM

I loved the mud rebel..Could you send me a butt cutter the one you were referring to from germany??

kgphoto · 01-08-2010, 03:27 AM

I was able to use this mud for the first time today. I found it was harder to mix, by that I mean stiffer than Westpac/Hamiltons Easy Sand. It didn't get as "loose" when I added more water to the initial mix.

However, once mixed, it was very creamy and spreadable. This allowed making corrections and blending areas very simply. I put a fan, no heat, on it and was able to get three coats on in one day. I touched up sanded it and then skim coated with a General Purpose mud, which is my preferred choice for my skim.

It sanded nicely, but I noticed a few poc marks and some "light coverage" areas, so that is why I skimmed. It was probably due to the fact I didn't use my light, just the room lights and overlooked these few spots.

Tomorrow I will sand and then prime and paint. I have some areas that didin't get a skim of GP so I will be able to see if there is any differnce in primer absorption.

Overall, I like it. I will need to test it on a larger area and mix larger amounts.

11-20-2009, 04:40 AM	#1
rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	Joint compound Testers needed Our new company located in Lexington NC is distributing a new product to the states. In all aspects it’s a Tapeless Joint Compound. Vario Joint Compound was developed in 1985 by Rigips Germany as a fast setting chemical dry compound for use with or without tape. It is applied by hand although tests have been done using a 7” box it is not recommended. The application process is cut almost in half when using hand tools through the drying time and not requiring tape, although with fibreglass tape the added process time is minimal. The difference in the width of the application is the key where as normal mud requires 8-12” of application Vario requires 6-8” on the factory joints and requires 18- 24” on the butt joints Vario is 4-8” thus less material application, saving time saving $. Then again we have to look at the variables if the board is not hung right i.e. bowed, edges not aligned and so forth under these circumstances no mud is going to save time. You ask what the difference is between Vario and other fast setting compounds, for one it is paintable. The bed coat is applied then 30-40 minutes later rough edges scraped using a drywall knife, second coat is applied, rough edges scraped, light sand if needed and then painted all within a process of 3 to 4 hours. This is a perfect setting for remodel, repairs (drywall or plaster) and new construction. I have filled holes up to 3” in diameter with out tape and 2 applications. We have tested the product ourselves in 2007 at the University of North Carolina Greensboro. With boxes, over paint (no Bubbles) covered Ink and black marker (no bleed through), filled holes up to 3” (no cracks because of thickness), plaster crack repairs, built a construction and shook by hand after 3 weeks got hairline crack by shaking the hell out of the construction with 15” of movement. We have sample bags and buckets for anyone who is willing to give it a try at no cost we will pay for shipping as well. I know the situation out there is hard and risks are not wanted, trying it in a closet or even in your own house or garage or basement is sufficient to give and honest feedback of the product negative or positive. One can not improve a product only on positive feedback. I would appreciate this very much. If interested in testing send me a PM and I will arrange for you to receive sample product. Rebel

11-21-2009, 09:18 AM	#4
silverstilts Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern MN Posts: 634	Have you used it on any high end jobs or any commercial applications ? just curious . __________________ aka the rock doctor

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A+ Texture LLC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 397	Would you recomend it for a "marriage line" in a modular or doublewide? And how would you compare its strength to something like sheetrocks hot mud?

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rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	It is also being used in canada on high end houses Level 4 /5 as well as here in germany on all types of commercial and residential projects. Had a museem here in Berlin designed by Frank Gehry renowned Architect out of California.

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TonyM Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: England Posts: 62	How can you paint a joint that has had two coats of compound after 4 hours? It might be set, but it certainly won't be dry. I think I used this Rigips stuff on a job in Hamburg in 1993. Is set really hard and quickly and came in small bags.

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Mr. Mud Man Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Hudson valley, New York Posts: 11	- Does it come in different set times other than 30 and 45? - If you spot your screws with it how many times do you need to coat them? (In the picture it looks like you only hit them once.) - How thick can you apply it? - What is cost per bag and how much do you get per bag? - What is the average coverage per bag? (How many sheets) Look forward to trying it!

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Mr. Mud Man Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Hudson valley, New York Posts: 11	I was looking around the site and saw it talking about a tool to trim the butt joints. Is that anything like the butt taper tool? http://www.butttaper.com/video.htm If not is there any way I could get ahold of one to try? I have a big job comming up where I'd love to give this a shot. Thanks. Tim

11-23-2009, 02:52 AM	#12
rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	Actuallly its similar to a rasp except it has two blades, cuts a 45°/23° on the butt edges. here in germany they acually make a board with what they call the Vario edge. I will have one sent with the mud.

11-25-2009, 11:11 AM	#13
rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	Guy's that got or are receiving samples, if you have any questions before application send me a PM you should be receiving them today or tomorrow. Rebel

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poconorock Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Milford, Pennsylvania Posts: 2	Please send me a sample of this product. I am interested in trying it out on an upcomming job that is time sensitive. If I can save on the taping, I can save on time and therefore money. Historic Walls 114 Shawnee Rd. Shohola, Pa. 18458 Thanks! I'll supply feedback.

12-15-2009, 03:56 AM	#15
rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	your welcome you should allready have it

12-21-2009, 02:34 PM	#16
rebel20 Michigander at heart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 211	Those of you who just requested samples they are on the way Rebel

12-29-2009, 10:56 AM	#17
EZCOMPOUNDER Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 6	Wish your web site was also in english

12-31-2009, 11:34 PM	#19
akcajun Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: alaska Posts: 21	I loved the mud rebel..Could you send me a butt cutter the one you were referring to from germany??

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kgphoto New member, old worker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: LA, CA Posts: 100	I was able to use this mud for the first time today. I found it was harder to mix, by that I mean stiffer than Westpac/Hamiltons Easy Sand. It didn't get as "loose" when I added more water to the initial mix. However, once mixed, it was very creamy and spreadable. This allowed making corrections and blending areas very simply. I put a fan, no heat, on it and was able to get three coats on in one day. I touched up sanded it and then skim coated with a General Purpose mud, which is my preferred choice for my skim. It sanded nicely, but I noticed a few poc marks and some "light coverage" areas, so that is why I skimmed. It was probably due to the fact I didn't use my light, just the room lights and overlooked these few spots. Tomorrow I will sand and then prime and paint. I have some areas that didin't get a skim of GP so I will be able to see if there is any differnce in primer absorption. Overall, I like it. I will need to test it on a larger area and mix larger amounts.