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Old 06-02-2011, 09:28 PM   #1
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I was wondering, If you really had to lower your standards, and a home owner asked if you could prime/paint .......what formula do you use to come up with your price?

#1. Do you charge so much a fiver/bucket of paint..... (how many sq ft of area will a 5'er cover) ball park figure $$ a 5'er

#2.Do you go by the area of the floor (whats mathematical formula to calculate amount of paint needed) ball park figure

#3.Do you charge by the sq ft , or by the sheet as some do (fairly sure when everyone speaks by sheet you mean 4x12........so twenty one sheets of 4x12 equals 1008 sq ft) ball park figure

lets just say......any house that is 4,000 sq ft (83 sheets) and over. Eight foot high ceilings.Everything to get painted,walls, ceilings, closets etc....There's nothing fancy in the house, just a straight forward house.

Painting method: keep it to nap roller, doing a back roll, no paint sprayer or power rollers involved,cut in with the brush on angles,You have your own tools and don't need to ask the H.O. to buy them for you, and use a GOOD primer. Just trying to keep everything to the k.i.s.s. method

I'm saying 4,000 sq ft (83 sheeps) b/c I'm sure that's where most guys start increasing their rates as they go down in sq ft/sheets, till you get to a point , where you charge by the hour. Or there's another question, whats your sq ft minimum, before you increase your rates. (as you go lower in square?)

Looking for which formula you guys use, not "I think it will take me this many hours ???" cr@p. A formula.....or maybe I'm missing another way to price the primer

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Old 06-02-2011, 09:38 PM   #2
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I was wondering, If you really had to lower your standards, and a home owner asked if you could prime/paint .......what formula do you use to come up with your price?

#1. Do you charge so much a fiver/bucket of paint..... (how many sq ft of area will a 5'er cover) ball park figure $$ a 5'er

#2.Do you go by the area of the floor (whats mathematical formula to calculate amount of paint needed) ball park figure

#3.Do you charge by the sq ft , or by the sheet as some do (fairly sure when everyone speaks by sheet you mean 4x12........so twenty one sheets of 4x12 equals 1008 sq ft) ball park figure

lets just say......any house that is 4,000 sq ft (83 sheets) and over. Eight foot high ceilings.Everything to get painted,walls, ceilings, closets etc....There's nothing fancy in the house, just a straight forward house.

Painting method: keep it to nap roller, doing a back roll, no paint sprayer or power rollers involved,cut in with the brush on angles,You have your own tools and don't need to ask the H.O. to buy them for you, and use a GOOD primer. Just trying to keep everything to the k.i.s.s. method

I'm saying 4,000 sq ft (83 sheeps) b/c I'm sure that's where most guys start increasing their rates as they go down in sq ft/sheets, till you get to a point , where you charge by the hour. Or there's another question, whats your sq ft minimum, before you increase your rates. (as you go lower in square?)

Looking for which formula you guys use, not "I think it will take me this many hours ???" cr@p. A formula.....or maybe I'm missing another way to price the primer
Your question is really confusing,,, like REALLY confusing.

Since i've had a few, I'll take a stab at it anyway. If I have done the drywall and they want it primed BEFORE trim is installed, I will prime it for .35 /ft (floor space) and provide the primer. I spray it on and backroll it.
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I was wondering, If you really had to lower your standards, and a home owner asked if you could prime/paint .......what formula do you use to come up with your price?

#1. Do you charge so much a fiver/bucket of paint..... (how many sq ft of area will a 5'er cover) ball park figure $$ a 5'er

#2.Do you go by the area of the floor (whats mathematical formula to calculate amount of paint needed) ball park figure

#3.Do you charge by the sq ft , or by the sheet as some do (fairly sure when everyone speaks by sheet you mean 4x12........so twenty one sheets of 4x12 equals 1008 sq ft) ball park figure

lets just say......any house that is 4,000 sq ft (83 sheets) and over. Eight foot high ceilings.Everything to get painted,walls, ceilings, closets etc....There's nothing fancy in the house, just a straight forward house.

Painting method: keep it to nap roller, doing a back roll, no paint sprayer or power rollers involved,cut in with the brush on angles,You have your own tools and don't need to ask the H.O. to buy them for you, and use a GOOD primer. Just trying to keep everything to the k.i.s.s. method

I'm saying 4,000 sq ft (83 sheeps) b/c I'm sure that's where most guys start increasing their rates as they go down in sq ft/sheets, till you get to a point , where you charge by the hour. Or there's another question, whats your sq ft minimum, before you increase your rates. (as you go lower in square?)

Looking for which formula you guys use, not "I think it will take me this many hours ???" cr@p. A formula.....or maybe I'm missing another way to price the primer
I just recently started priming after drywall. I charge by the sq. ft. same as hanging or finishing. I actually would really like to get away from hanging and just finish and prime. I'm getting between .19 to .23 cents per sq. ft. depending on contractor. That includes a good primer usually Sherwin Williams promar 200 or sheetrock first coat. unless they want oil. Spray and backroll.

Oh and don't forget to tell them they're buying new brushes when painting. Nice brushes not the cheap ones.
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Well im useless and cant help you at all, I guess the time and do and hr rate with materials and hope for the best, All the sq m rates drive me mad and its all different, And takes time, But here is one that i do and other painters do, then back cost, If its straight forward enough the then X the floor area by $40 per sm, then see how that feels.
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oh yeah ,, 4,000' of area . duh ..

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Your question is really confusing,,, like REALLY confusing.

Since i've had a few, I'll take a stab at it anyway. If I have done the drywall and they want it primed BEFORE trim is installed, I will prime it for .35 /ft (floor space) and provide the primer. I spray it on and backroll it.
but you still answered right

Ok, a set rate, a formula, not a hour rate, ill admit I get confusing sometimes

#1 so much a 5'er ( a painter told me that one)
#2 so much by the floor area
#3 so much by the drywall

And whats a fair rate for any of the above, labour only, no supply
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You have your own tools and don't need to ask the H.O. to buy them for you
Aren't you tired of using the same roller cover for the past 5 years?

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5 bucks 5 bucks 5 bucks
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Aren't you tired of using the same roller cover for the past 5 years?



Paid for by "homeowners" and generates more work. (perhaps the only difference is that I tell them what I'm spending their money on.

Oh wait, are you thinking it wouldn't be a good idea to tell them that you're spending their money on hookers and crank?):
Don't know weather your joking or not but.......
one, I don't use a paint roller cover
two, none of their damn business what Ive done with their money after I've earned it.
And three, a person spending their money on hookers and crack, is going to ask if they can get some money to buy some tools, and not return
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Don't know weather your joking or not but.......
one, I don't use a paint roller cover
two, none of their damn business what Ive done with their money after I've earned it.
And three, a person spending their money on hookers and crack, is going to ask if they can get some money to buy some tools, and not return
1. How do you roll paint on and not use a roller cover? Here, we call the cage the roller and the cover is the part that holds the paint and puts it on the wall

2. That's your business. I get a lot of money up front for materials

3. I do that all the time, but it seems like I'm not getting any more phone calls

Our prime guys usually charge $0.07-$0.10/ft...sprayed (but that's drywall primer, prep coat or something similar at $35/ 5 gal. (which includes masking materials and labor to mask.) So let's use a 5000 sq. ft. job as an example, at $0.10, and assuming 1 gallon covers 300 ft.

5000/300=16 gallons = 4 5 gal. buckets = $140
roll of plastic = $30.00
2 rolls tape = $12.00
Labor to mask = 1 hr
Labor to prime (no backroll) 3 hrs

$140 + $30 + $12 = $182
Total labor = 4 hrs.
Price for job = $500
Total money made after materials = $318
Hourly rate = $79.50

So even if you had a helper to backroll, and you rented an airless at $65/ day you'd still be making $31 (and change...and IF your helper made equal wage) per hour. Although, then you've introduced clean-up time on the machine, and rental/return.

Then again, I'm probably full of sh!t and all the real professionals will laugh at me. But, at least it's a starting point.
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