Have had different ways shown to me but what is the best way to finish Butt Joints in the most effiecient way? Do you just go over twice w/ a 12" bowed trowel or make a mud path on both sides of the tape one your first coat and then a mud path over the tape itslef on your second coat then what?
slim said it best. no wall is perfect. in my view, before sunrise or after sunset. shine a 500 halogen across wall or ceiling, if the butts look half way decent .you did good. butts are a 3itch. some break on the worst stud/joist . all you can do is soffin it up i say. after 5 passes i give up. sand that m/f. some houses come out great, others[up@down ceiling joist] you just gotta say, whens enough ,enough?? 14footers/16footers help lots. just don't go overboard with them. there are tricks in hanging to help the taper, but most hangers are not tapers.:wallbash:
JUST THINK IF EVERY HANGER HARD TO FINISH THERE WORK ONE TIME ....IT MIGHT CHANGE THE WAY THEY HANG....BUT ONLY FINISHING PERFECT HANGING WILL NOT MAKE YOU A GREAT FINISHER...YOU NEED OBSTICKELS TO OVERCOME TO TEACH YOU TO BE A GREAT FINISHER WEATHER YOU DO IT BY HAND OR MECHANICAL MEANS.I DONT THINK WE EVER STOP LEARING ..THATS MY OPPION:thumbsup:
no im in a good mood .yeah that key was on hahaahaha.not complaning just saying if one trade did the outher trades work once. everyone would have a better understanding of the of why there asked to do stuff different ways...agreed
Smisner, do you gage you butts. By that I meant do you check them before you start coating them. I run Norstar boxes first coat with a 12". I check all butts with a knife first if really crowned x x on 0 , if not so bad butt still crowned xx on 2 , if hairline flat, xx 3 . when I run across a real bad one I x *** triple split on low side. then gage again for second coat. there is three different methods that I know of that work with boxes.
You can not level a butt.. Only soften it!!!
tell them it's a bowed stud! checking butts with an 8' level is B/S,,
no one can can do that ,, the best you can do is , spend a little more time on the butts,, that's what they take. time
1000 watt halogen will tell tell you what to do!
You can not level a butt.. Only soften it!!!
tell them it's a bowed stud! checking butts with an 8' level is B/S,,
no one can can do that ,, the best you can do is , spend a little more time on the butts,, that's what they take. time!
I make all my butts the same size......why?????
We use to go around and check the butts with a straight edge. So some butts could be 36", 48",20",16"....or what ever. Then it would never fail, The H.O., GC, or some idiot off the street would ask "why are those joints all different sizes" So you would explain why......Then sure enough the next day you would see pencil marks through your butts, and your straight edge not where you left it:furious:
Now I make them all the same size. I might build out one or two,,,, maybe, but even then, it seems that one you build out, draws attention :yes:
i box on low setting (or no tension on the crown) over the tape partially and another run right next to that creating a valley.. while filling bead i'll trowel the centers filling the valley.. on final coat i box both sides of butt leaving about a 6in lenth in the center that needs a quick slip of the knife..
this makes your butts turn out absolutely mint and uniform and its fast.. if i get real picky i'll fan out by hand..
Cardboard drywall shims are about a sixteenth of an inch. They cost around ten dollars for a bundle of fifty. Put a level, straight edge where sheet is breaking then build up on each side of butt joint with drywall shims. Well worth the time.
Cardboard drywall shims are about a sixteenth of an inch. They cost around ten dollars for a bundle of fifty. Put a level, straight edge where sheet is breaking then build up on each side of butt joint with drywall shims. Well worth the time.
we still split butts twice and touch up with 12" knife.We run it wide open 1rst coat [on butts] then usually tighten it up on 2nd split unless it still requires more mud . Then we pull the butt tight with a 12" knife.:thumbup: usually working with steel studs so framing is goood.If you cant get it to look right doin it this way then it is probaoly not your fault.. framing or bad hanging:furious: Tell them get out there checkbook
i saw this 'recessed' butt thing in New Zealand when i was there. Seems to me to be a waste of time. it's for tapers that don't know what they are doing.
i saw this 'recessed' butt thing in New Zealand when i was there. Seems to me to be a waste of time. it's for tapers that don't know what they are doing.
Standard Ceiling Butt.
This is the way i do my cross joints (english for butts).
I use Fiba tape and fast set for 1st coat. Crowning the joint to hide the fiba tape. Picture 1
Then 10" box straight over the top. O.k. there is a little day light on the left side of a knife edge 2mm. Picture 2
Then 12" box. There is a little crown. But there is always going to be one or the tape will show. Picture 3
Picture 4 looks flat. Feels flat.
So I don't double up my butts. If i get bad ones, yes will make wider.
Standard Ceiling Butt.
This is the way i do my cross joints (english for butts).
I use Fiba tape and fast set for 1st coat. Crowning the joint to hide the fiba tape. Picture 1
Then 10" box straight over the top. O.k. there is a little day light on the left side of a knife edge 2mm. Picture 2
Then 12" box. There is a little crown. But there is always going to be one or the tape will show. Picture 3
Picture 4 looks flat. Feels flat.
So I don't double up my butts. If i get bad ones, yes will make wider.
trying your method on butts final touch. start skim tomorrow ,. good hangers are a plus.. using 10'' for block and skim.. 8'' block seams 10'' on skim seams.
I have always used 12'' on butts ,, all 20 coats ,, but the older I get the more I think :blink:the 12'' bows up and causes more of a problem .
Butt still needs another float on the left . move that rusty knife to the right,,
and it may need another float there also. you can gauge a butt ,,,,
ALL DAY LONG!!
All i see is white and a rusty old knife sanded clean. yo mamas knife!
Just kidding ! I'm sure your butt is good and flat misner!!:lol:
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