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Old 02-04-2011, 09:47 AM   #1
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OK, this may be a stretch..( I want to patent this before anyone does). I thought about this after reading many threads on the "tape vs. mesh". Then I was thinking about a type of concrete that they have today that has fibers in the concrete mix, like shreds of fiberglass of some sort. They use this type of concrete when they want to eliminate the use of wire mesh for strength. OK here goes...why can't there be a type of drywall compound that has fibers in it and use it as your first coat w/out using tape or mesh, then apply your 2nd & 3rd coat using the regular material? Is there a product called "FIBERCOAT" already out there?? If not send your endorsement to me direct & I will get right on it.

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check out textiles industries they shoot mud with a crazy gun one guy sprays one guy runs knife for first coat
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Vario ?

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Synko also makes a product called 'Con-Fill' (short for Concrete-Fill). It's a 90min set, full of fiberglass shavings. It DOES NOT WORK without tape and will crack. It is stronger than most fast-setting compounds, but will crack. It's good for patching old plaster and such. Make sure you wear a mask when sanding, airborne fiberglass is not cool.

that vario one seems to be the only one out there. i don't think i could ever trust it though. i've never used it, but i imagine it sands about as easy a car tire if it's full of rubber'ish type materials.
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It's tapeless bust does not have fibreglass

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It's tapeless bust does not have fibreglass

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Exactly ! Mask or not fiberglass is nasty.
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I did come across a system awhile ago that sprayed mud with paper fibers in it. It was supposed to replace needing tapes.
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Wasnt it in that book-----HOW TO GO BANKRUPT IN 1 YEAR.
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I did a **** ton of durasan panel drywall awhile ago that the gc furnished materials for...instead of taping the seams, he had a setting type bag compound that had glass fibers in it...kinda like kitty hair bondo..it was a major pain in the backside to skim over without having glass fibers popping through

I can't remember who made it.....someone out of Florida
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Synko also makes a product called 'Con-Fill' (short for Concrete-Fill). It's a 90min set, full of fiberglass shavings. It DOES NOT WORK without tape and will crack. It is stronger than most fast-setting compounds, but will crack. It's good for patching old plaster and such. Make sure you wear a mask when sanding, airborne fiberglass is not cool.

that vario one seems to be the only one out there. i don't think i could ever trust it though. i've never used it, but i imagine it sands about as easy a car tire if it's full of rubber'ish type materials.
yes . doesn't sand well. butt it does work. taped a closet with it 2 weeks ago. no cracks. how long will it last ??
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It's called Ultra-Fill, and it's made by Hamilton. It cracks without mesh at joints, but can be used as fill up to an inch deep. It's an awesome product.
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I wonder what you could do with some soaked and mashed up Type X. It would have fiberglass and paper fibers and you'd have a limitless supply.
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in Australia everything is corniced and once the cornice cement drys you cant even jack hammer the stuff off the wall... we use a wet sponge to wipe all the cornice and surrounding areas down clean.. but make sure not to over wipe... In canada we play the Square set game (Angles)
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hi guys second post,regarding your query,have used a material in germany that doesnt need any tape they call it spackel its made by knauf
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hi guys second post,regarding your query,have used a material in germany that doesnt need any tape they call it spackel its made by knauf

there are actually a few out but we went with the best.
I have tried them all. Just another word for Joint Compound and its actually called Fügenspachtel.


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there are actually a few out but we went with the best.
I have tried them all. Just another word for Joint Compound and its actually called Fügenspachtel.


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There are several patents for the same sort of thing. In the 80's I read the patents and played with my own thinking of maybe offering something later.

But NOTHING compares to the Vario. No pin holes, easy mixing and during my testing I was able to carve it as it was setting. I don't know about long term joint cracking but for patching and repair it worked real well for me.

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If these tapeless finishing compounds ever evolve into an easy to use truly tapeless (no cracks) product we can all kiss our jobs as finishers goodbye. Every contractor world wide will just hire some jack wagon to fill cracks run flats, bead and call it done. They already don't care about about flat walls you just have to be cheap. So be careful what you wish for as a finisher. technology has put many men out of a job. The only reason we all have jobs is because it is a pain in the a**. Make it too easy were all srewed.
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If these tapeless finishing compounds ever evolve into an easy to use truly tapeless (no cracks) product we can all kiss our jobs as finishers goodbye. Every contractor world wide will just hire some jack wagon to fill cracks run flats, bead and call it done. They already don't care about about flat walls you just have to be cheap. So be careful what you wish for as a finisher. technology has put many men out of a job. The only reason we all have jobs is because it is a pain in the a**. Make it too easy were all srewed.
I dunno, if you listen to what most of the guys (GCs, homeowners, etc.) most of them hate taping, and realize they're no good at it (the relatively smart ones anyway). Removing tape from the equation won't change that, although they WILL try and get our price down. The floating is what makes the walls, and they all know it. Plus, they don't like to get their Carhartts dirty
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i'm also under the impression that there is a lot of careful preparation to insure a proper bond with vario. so you can't just go over any old shi**y rock job with it and expect it not to crack.
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