Angle Head Combinations

proficient Mudder

Oh yeah, I have tryed about every way possible I guess in 25 yrs of running a tape gun, I don't always make it a sure thing to back wipe as you call it, but do it most of the time with really no time loss. I personally have never seen it a tape swell from it, because it is always recessed in the bevels. I am not really going to any extra efforts and it's definetly no kind of coat over the tape, it's just leaving the mud at the side of the tape with the same amount of recess.

One thing that I have seen swell the tape out is where some finishers will use a mid weght or lite weight mud for taping. the shrinkage is less than regular joint compound leaving the tape just sitting on top of the mud that hasn't been pulled tight enough.

Bill

Capt-sheetrock

I guess I stirred up a hornets nest here,,, thats good, got to keep thinking and re-adjusting our attitudes.

I do NOT like seeing a "pretty" tape job,,,, by that i mean a bevel filled while the tape is wet. BECAUSE, the tape will FLOAT to the top of the mud bed and be even with the paper on the rock. Makes a pretty tape coat, but it sucks!!!!

A proper tape coat, looks like SH*T, cause the tape is down in the bevel and the mud is all over (cause it don't fill the bevel).

You can like that or not, you can hand tape or machine tape. In fact you can do whatever you want too.

Since I'm old, wore out and about done, I like to share what I have learned since 1974,,,,,, PLEASE take it with however many grains of salt you want too. I am not trying to insult anyone, just trying to pass along somethings I have figured out.

McDusty

i hope not everyone listens to this guys madness. my bevels are all full after tape, once they dry, they are hallow. perfect.

proficient Mudder

Same here McDusty

I wasn't going to say anymore, being that I just jumped aboard on this site and having respect for someone that has been in this stuff longer than me.

I think We all have to find what makes us feel comfortable with our routine and stick by it for personal satisfaction and job quality.

I deal with finishing thousands of board a year and most of it painted semi gloss. So my first step is to make sure the tape job is right for the rest of coats to go on smoothly and level.

Bill

taper71

Well im with Cap t on this one. I used to fill my bevels and it does look pretty, but I dont waste the time anymore . It all looks the same after the 10"box coat and no it does not shring back Hollow. I also noticed that if my mud consistency is just right it will look like I've filled the bevel , but it's not.

taper71

Oh and by the way I think we are way off topic and have been for the last few pages lol.

Capt-sheetrock

You can lead a finisher to auto tools, but you can't make em like em,,,if they'd rather still be hand-tapeing.

If you want to waste your time and mud by filling the bevel, then by all means, knock yourself out.

McDusty

using the super-taper, the bevels get filled as i wipe out the flats, super taper puts a lot more mud on the tape than the bazooka. it's not like i waste my time going around filling all the bevels. that would be stupid. and what on earth are you talking about tapes floating to the top. that's bogus.

proficient Mudder

It would be stupid to go around and filling joints, that's what 1st coat is for. I also stated earlier that others may have missed, that I don't go to any special treatment other than taking my excess mud i pull from the tape and slap it right back into the joint instead of my pan at every swipe and drag with the tape as i am pulling it down. this probably is about equal to extra mud as the super taper, just enough.
if anyone has floating tape that is just sitting on top of mud,instead of recessed? than there probably using a mud that don't shrink and there not pulling the tape tight enough in the first place.

I know from reading other post of the people that has replyed to this post, that there experience is multi times proven they are professional. I just think certain taping explanations in this post have just been misunderstood without being in the field.

Bill

walleye

hey guys, new to this site.

have been running tube/corner appl.- tape - corner roller - 2" flusher.
then after finish coat on flats tube again then 3" flusher. (can-am)

been doing this for years but not 100% happy w/ my angles, tend to come out too heavy w/ mud. after painted can see too heavy.

i have ordered the tapetech angle head combo 2 & 3". hoping to to tweak out to better satisfaction. i take pride in my work...most people dont notice but i do and it bothers me so here's hoping the new tools make an improvement.

planning on running the same system just substituting flushers w/ angle heads.

not sure if its a tool problem or i have somehow changed my ways over time.

one thing i think is different....i picked up the auto tools out in alberta back in the 90's and dont remember having the prob. but i think the bevels are wider here in the maritimes. flushers dont run good unless you apply lots of mud, modified my applicator with slightly bigger wheels.


your thoughts on how i might fair out w/ the angle heads vs. flushers?

DSJOHN

MO the 2" is too small you should use 2 1/2or 3 first time and I think your using too much mud and coating too much in your angles----think glazing!!!!!

walleye

do you use flushers or angle heads?

walleye

maybe not thinning enough as well, afraid of cracking.

was considering hand finishing one side at a time after flushing(swore i would never go back to one side at a time).

need to get my **** together so that i walk away satisfied.

the tools aren't popular around here so no one to compare with.

2buckcanuck

walleye
dsjohn gave right answer,just to add to it,don't adjust your wheels on applicator,make mud more runny,should be one pass to flush/glaze angles.your better off going 3 and 3 till you can get bigger flusher 3 1/2

Capt-sheetrock

I started on a slop-box in the 70's, went to a banjo early 80's,,, used it till 2001 when I wnet to a bazooka.

If you think that a super-taper(cool looking slop-box) is THE tool, then why are you here baashing the pros that use banjo's and bazooka's.

You don't have to like me or what I say, but PAHLEESE,,, don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.

Clear enough??? Sonny????

McDusty

I'd like to see you flat tape around the over 100 pipes & hangers on this commerical job i am on, with a bazooka. and then go use your bazooka to fire tape around ducting and in very small spaces where i can barely fit my hand. let me know how it goes.

2buckcanuck

why is someone going to use a piece work machine to do hour work to start with.that's like using a formula one race car in a monster truck competition.....NUTZ
but can I use the bazooka to fire tape......sure could.......but, you just have one guy put tension on the tape while holding bazooka up right , another person pulls on the tape directing it into a mud box .Oh my god...I just made a mud box.
I'm not going to knock a man who wants to use a slop bucket/super taper (lol)but if they say it's faster than a bazooka.....I will challenge them any day,even put my LIFE on the line.
here's the challenge,pick any house you want
tools to be used,a wiping knife,mud pan,angle head on a handle,roller optional .and of coarse bazooka or super taper lol
tools not to be used,milk crate,bench,scaffold,ladder,step ladder,baker,stilts,leg extension or height extenders of any form
just my machine against your .....lol,super taper machine
willing to bet your life on it!!!!!
just to warn any bidders ,27 years bazooka experience,3 years experience on the messy,back breaking,twice as much walking slop bucket/super taper lol

Capt-sheetrock

I use the banjo for fire tapes, have for years,thank ya.

I use the tool that fits the job the best,,, I am not locked into ONE tool, I want to be the finisher that makes the most money come friday, without any call-backs

PrairrieDogExpress

Of course it would be faster if you didn't use stilts. Why would you exclude them? I would love to take that bet. I'm not saying that I would definetly be faster but I guarantee that I would not be far behind. I think you would be suprised.

McDusty

this thread is hilarious.

We, as in the people on this forum, need to start a DC, bid on an apartment block and hold the first ever 'Drywall Taping Championships.' Winner gets all the footage. That would be good times.