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Old 04-30-2010, 02:28 PM   #21
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I don't know about what others or how others have learned but the angle box was the first thing we were broke into, maybe because it is the most grueling a lot harder than the boxes at least till you get the hang of it. And I tell you it don't help if you are a little on the short end makes matters worse especially if there are sprinkler heads down about 4" from the ceiling.

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Old 04-30-2010, 07:33 PM   #22
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I know that moving from hand taping to tools, the corners are the hardest to adjust to mentally. I glaze my corners behind the bazooka with a 31/2 on the mudrunner, that coats the first time. I like to speed sand them when dry and then run em with a 21/2. You will still see some "photgraphing" in other words you will still a bit of tape here and there, not much mind ya. Here is where it is hard for hand tapers to adjust. Photgraphing is named that for this reason, look at a photo of the mountains,, then close your eyes and feel it, can you feel the mountains? Same with the tape, it will sand out and paint fine. I paint about 1/2 of the house i finish these days.

If you just can't abide the photographing, you can run again with a 2" and cover. Not neccasary, but will make you feel better.

good luck, relax, and don't try to over think it

Cheers Capt,
I got a how too dvd when i started out changing to the tools and the person in that is using a 3.5 head on handle after the bazooka then a 2 or 2.5" on the anglebox to finish, and im stuffed if i can get that to work for me, there just does not seem to be enough mud for the 3.5 head and i tear the tape out and the head scratches up the board paper so gave up on that idea, got a 3.5 flusher and that went much better but you have to push a lot more, i used a can am tube and a corner mud head to put mud in the corner then glazed it off with a 3.5 angle head on my last house but i coved it so didnt have to do the ceilings, it did work well but a bit slow, i got a mudrunner the other day to try so on my next house i was going to try and use a 2.5 after the bazooka then use a mudrunner and mud head to put the mud in and glaze it off with a 3.5, i will try the angle head straight on the mudrunner but at this stage i like the feel of the head on the handle, well untill i get tired of going over the corners twice to finish anyway?

Im a painter too but tend to go for the plaster, i get the option of painting as well on most houses i plaster but i have heaps of work so would rather move on to the next house, once i have been around it for the plaster it feels like your finished and someone else wants you at there place.

Interesting that you use a 3.5 on the mudrunner after the bazooka then finish off with a smaller head, most seem too use a smaller then a bigger head? you are obviously a man of experance so thank you for your advice which i will try out, Thanks.
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Old 04-30-2010, 09:20 PM   #23
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FUNNY...I learned that from a guy from indy 27 years ago, Barnett Drywall, they were in south florida. Only dif...I'm a righty!
wouldnt happen to be named Gary would He?
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Get a Mudrunner
So do you think your being helpful by telling someone to go drop $900 on something when they already have a tool to do the job right? Why not help the guy with his problem and then suggest the mudrunner once he jumps the first hurdle. Not trying to sound like a turd but it sounded condescending. As for your other posts and the original...
I think if your first run with the angle head is a good one, real soupy mud will be enough on the second pass. You also mentioned your paper tearing. I believe you just need to break your corner tools in more. That happens to me too.
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So do you think your being helpful by telling someone to go drop $900 on something when they already have a tool to do the job right? Why not help the guy with his problem and then suggest the mudrunner once he jumps the first hurdle. Not trying to sound like a turd but it sounded condescending. As for your other posts and the original...
I think if your first run with the angle head is a good one, real soupy mud will be enough on the second pass. You also mentioned your paper tearing. I believe you just need to break your corner tools in more. That happens to me too.

Dude?? whats with the attack?? I only stated get a mudrunner becouse i cant help the guy with his angle box problem, i have not had much luck with the angle box either, im not mr experienced with the tools yet but i was in a hurry when i read his post and just thought of quickly pointing out the mudrunner as an option if the box isnt working out, Im open to share my experiences to date and i am trying to learn what i can and appreciate anything anyone has to say. You read into it what you will???

In no way do i mean to be condescending, Apologies if i did.
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Didn't mean to attack you. I just thought it would be better to try to figure out shortcomings with one product before moving to the next. I'm not johnny experience with the tools myself so when I have a problem I assume it's me not the tool. Best wishes...
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Time to lock the forum up.

I'd like to help you out dwally but its a trade secret and if I told you how I do my angles you might be as good as me.

Just saying!

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Cheers Capt,
I got a how too dvd when i started out changing to the tools and the person in that is using a 3.5 head on handle after the bazooka then a 2 or 2.5" on the anglebox to finish, and im stuffed if i can get that to work for me, there just does not seem to be enough mud for the 3.5 head and i tear the tape out and the head scratches up the board paper so gave up on that idea, got a 3.5 flusher and that went much better but you have to push a lot more, i used a can am tube and a corner mud head to put mud in the corner then glazed it off with a 3.5 angle head on my last house but i coved it so didnt have to do the ceilings, it did work well but a bit slow, i got a mudrunner the other day to try so on my next house i was going to try and use a 2.5 after the bazooka then use a mudrunner and mud head to put the mud in and glaze it off with a 3.5, i will try the angle head straight on the mudrunner but at this stage i like the feel of the head on the handle, well untill i get tired of going over the corners twice to finish anyway?

Im a painter too but tend to go for the plaster, i get the option of painting as well on most houses i plaster but i have heaps of work so would rather move on to the next house, once i have been around it for the plaster it feels like your finished and someone else wants you at there place.

Interesting that you use a 3.5 on the mudrunner after the bazooka then finish off with a smaller head, most seem too use a smaller then a bigger head? you are obviously a man of experance so thank you for your advice which i will try out, Thanks.
Your looking at it all wrong there laddy,,,,LOL

IF you have a mudrunner, use the 31/2 to glaze with. See the bazooka puts out only a certain amount of mud PERIOD, not enough to use a big head. BUT if you use the mudrunner, you ADD mud when your glazing. Just mix your mud thin, tape with the zooka and glaze with a 31/2, then after it dries, mudrun again with a smaller head.

This is where you are headed if you use the mudrunner, so just go ahead and get into it right away
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Ok Capt
Your on! I will do it this way, But my only inexperianced concern is does using a bigger head first then a smaller head last leave a ridge
Im guessing your reply will be,

(No it doesnt you fool and it sands out easy anyway and if it did do you really think i would be doing it this way!!)

I look forward to your reply but i get the feeling i just answered it myself?
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Ok Capt
Your on! I will do it this way, But my only inexperianced concern is does using a bigger head first then a smaller head last leave a ridge
Im guessing your reply will be,

(No it doesnt you fool and it sands out easy anyway and if it did do you really think i would be doing it this way!!)

I look forward to your reply but i get the feeling i just answered it myself?
LOL,,, yeah, except for the "fool" part. Might have thought it, but wouldn't have said it.

Look at it like this. If you leave a miniscual ridge on the corner with the smaller head, no big deal, it is on the mud from the larger, which is nothing, really. It's only when you leave a ridge of mud on paper, that you have a problem sanding it off.

If your anxiuos about it, just try it in a walk-in-closet and see how it does. Your gonna love it man
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Ok, Hey thanks Capt, your a real asset to this site and your posts are really helpful and easy to follow, in fact i would even shout you a 6 pack if i could
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And Tricounty drywall, Im sorry if it seems i have hi jacked your thread, not my intention, i suck at the angle box and i hope you are having a better run at it than me and some of this helps you.
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Ok, Hey thanks Capt, your a real asset to this site and your posts are really helpful and easy to follow, in fact i would even shout you a 6 pack if i could
Gee thanks,,, Glad to help if I can.

Appreciate the 6 pack, however, I have been making my own homebrew, lately hard lemonade with around 9% ABV. The last thing I need is mo alcohol,,,,hic, hic.In fact I have 18 gals to bottle today. I turn em over ever mth.
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well im not having to good of a run with it either.. but u got to learn to crawl b4 u walk so im not giving up on it
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Gee thanks,,, Glad to help if I can.

Appreciate the 6 pack, however, I have been making my own homebrew, lately hard lemonade with around 9% ABV. The last thing I need is mo alcohol,,,,hic, hic.In fact I have 18 gals to bottle today. I turn em over ever mth.

LOL, This is the real secret to drywall isnt it?
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wouldnt happen to be named Gary would He?
Two Brothers, George and Tom, their father had the company Barnett Drywall. They are probably both 65 NOW.
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Two Brothers, George and Tom, their father had the company Barnett Drywall. They are probably both 65 NOW.
hmm maybe it was george and not gary...I worked with a barnett about 18-19yrs ago...shortly after I first started drywall..i don't remember there being brothers so maybe not same guys...were they from indianapolis or somewhere else in indiana?

he was the first guy to show me how to do a sunburst....cool guy..kinda a hillbilly?
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They were from Indianapolis. 25 years ago they were in Ft. Lauderdale. All those guys were hillbilly's Really good hand finishers. Didn't run the tools. He wrote the book "two coats to glass" on corner bead.
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LOL, This is the real secret to drywall isnt it?
I don't know if it is really THE secrect, but it HAS made me a legend in my own mind !!!!!!!!
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