angle box

tricounty dwall

i am new to tools and am learnign the angle box.. why is it skipping to where i have to run over it 3 or 4 times? and ive oiled the rubber but it seems i have to push the life out of it, and my mud is soupy.. can anyone help me?

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How wet you mixing your mud?

silverstilts

Check the tension on the angle head itself does it move freely? What kind of angle head are you using?

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joepro0000

Do you have almost perfect-perfect angles? If you have bad framing, and bad angles, you will experience problems.

tricounty dwall

well i mixed my mud soupy like banjo mud.. over 2 cups of water to the box.. they angles r prety straight.. i think its just beginners luck.. i tried running the 2nd coat today and it wasnt looking to good..

DSJOHN

You gotta tell us what kinda angle head, and if its skipping I think your pushing too hard! Wet the mud a little more, and soak your angle head in water while your mixing your mud,keep a bucket of water close by to clean it and keep it wet. Without any more info from ya Thats all I can contribute. DSJOHN

tricounty dwall

ty ill try that.. but its a northstar box and angle head

cazna

Get a Mudrunner

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When you are mixing your mud, take a whole handful of mud out of the bucket, fill that void left with water and add more (I use about a pan full). Try that. My mix is alot soupier than banjo mud.

tricounty dwall

ty for all of ur help.. and i have a mudrunner.. but i cant get it to work.. it doesnt want to push the mud out when u turn the handle..ive used boxes for years and just started with angle tools.. so im a lil lost on them right now..

fr8train

on the mudrunners, sometimes that handle is stiff, you want to twist the handle while pulling and twisting the opposite way on the white collar. Also how stiff is your mud? mudrunners like the mud on the loose side.

Capt-sheetrock

If your mudrunner won't pump it out, your mud is too thick, they tell you it will pump stiff mud but THEY LIE. mix your mud, fill the mudrunner, point it at the bucket and twist, if it don't fly out of the mudrunner,,, add water,, ALOT of water. My mudrunner mud will literally RUN out of a banjo, if I point the banjo at the ground. I agree with another poster, 2 cups of mud is NO WAY enough, I use at least a pan full of water,, IF the mud is not a thick bacth, if it is, I use more.

Don't believe the hype that thin mud will mess you up,,, it won't.

Bill from Indy

I got to follow suit with the above..I think you got the mud too thick...also, load the head full before you start to pump them in...that helps too..the more you run over them to fill it in, the bigger the edge it will leave.....just a tip..what I do is run one direction....say left to right...all the way around ceilings...when I get to end, run them right to left...then pull your wall angles..you have to decide what is best for you...some people pull them up first then pull down(I do personally) then some others just pull down from ceiling to floor and pick the bottoms....if you pick the bottoms clean on glaze coat, you can pull them up and not have to pick when you box them out...

These are just tips I have learned over the years running it..you will develop your own flavor the more you use it..the angle box is a man's tool though for sure..outside of the bazooka, its the next tool to whoop ya at the end of the day

DSJOHN

Bill that was well said, a rookie should be able to grasp all of what you just printed ,and ditto to Capt. Practice makes perfect just keep doing it. JOHN

carpentaper

how many coats do you guys do over tape? does one coat of mud that thin actually cover well enough?

cazna

This question goes for me too? thin mud? how does it cover?
My 10years of pushing thick mud by hand with knifes is holding me back?

DSJOHN

If you roll and glaze your corners, one coat after that,it takes practice gentlemen, just remember its different than running corners by hand,you need to address your 3 way when dry. DSJOHN

Bill from Indy

Like John said, it takes practice...you have to have the angles full on the glaze coat(tape)...then you are basically just covering the print of the tape on the box out

another trick i have developed over time is when you star the corners (where 3 angles come together in corner of room)..pull one direction on glaze and pull the other on pump out

example, im a lefty so when I glaze, I pull left to right ceiling, pull down right wall side up and down, then pull wall side right to left....on pump out, I pull ceiling side right to left, left side up and down, then wall side left to right...this will fill in the grooves from glaze star out and make for a nice clean 3 way corner

Capt-sheetrock

I know that moving from hand taping to tools, the corners are the hardest to adjust to mentally. I glaze my corners behind the bazooka with a 31/2 on the mudrunner, that coats the first time. I like to speed sand them when dry and then run em with a 21/2. You will still see some "photgraphing" in other words you will still a bit of tape here and there, not much mind ya. Here is where it is hard for hand tapers to adjust. Photgraphing is named that for this reason, look at a photo of the mountains,, then close your eyes and feel it, can you feel the mountains? Same with the tape, it will sand out and paint fine. I paint about 1/2 of the house i finish these days.

If you just can't abide the photographing, you can run again with a 2" and cover. Not neccasary, but will make you feel better.

good luck, relax, and don't try to over think it

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FUNNY...I learned that from a guy from indy 27 years ago, Barnett Drywall, they were in south florida. Only dif...I'm a righty!