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Old 02-04-2012, 08:26 PM   #1
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Hi guys,
I got a job 15000sf so I needed a man power. I hired a guy and he got another 2 guys working for him. We start hanging and those guys leave 1/2" gaps. I said these one it is ok but from now on I don't want anything bigger than 1/4", 3/8". They say " you have to learn how to go or you not going to make any money. Than we start taping and I said I want every thing bigger then 1/8 3/6" pre fill with durabond and that say "we don't do that we just flat tape gaps like that and only 1/2" we pre fill. Am I picky ?
Some places there are gaps 1/2" between ceiling and wall that means ceiling rock was 1" short !!! Every second outlet needs patching. I am carpenter working mostly for bigger companies but I do drywall and finish
sometimes too but I don't consider myself professional drywall company. They do. They do only drywall. Again am I picky or what?

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Zack I just finished up a little over 10,000 board ft of rock ,and i only patched 1 box.....No your not too picky..
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I agree with Moore.
Pictures would help but if they're as bad as they sound than ya...no good.
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Zack, if you hired them and you wanted it done that way then you need to be assertive and let them know who the boss is. You are not unreasonable in asking for the prefilling.

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Zack, if you hired them and you wanted it done that way then you need to be assertive and let them know who the boss is. You are not unreasonable in asking for the prefilling.

Dear God , this hurts, half to agree with the Vancouver Canucks fan.

You hired them, you are the boss, you half to put your foot down

next time, post some pics or a vid, we will be happy to give our opinions...... trust me
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ok. I have to say something in their defense. They said that gaps up to 1/2" they flat tape.
is that ok to do? I thing the point of pre fill with durabond is that it wan't shrink and regular mud will which will result in cracks right?
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ok. I have to say something in their defense. They said that gaps up to 1/2" they flat tape.
is that ok to do? I thing the point of pre fill with durabond is that it wan't shrink and regular mud will which will result in cracks right?
Around these parts, no excuse for a gap in a flat, angle's....... wee bit of lee way, they still want them tight, but most tapers and DWC understand not all houses are perfect in being square. But I can say a half inch is not acceptable, very bad would be 1/4" to 3/8". a 1/8" is nothing to nag at
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sounds like youd better caulk the angles if its too late to prefil with hotmud. 1/2" will more than likely crack. One would think it might be hard to get a good screw in that.. or nail
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1/2" is o.k.!! guess i'm doing it wrong ...i try for nothing more than 1/8"
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Around these parts, no excuse for a gap in a flat, angle's....... wee bit of lee way, they still want them tight, but most tapers and DWC understand not all houses are perfect in being square. But I can say a half inch is not acceptable, very bad would be 1/4" to 3/8". a 1/8" is nothing to nag at
I don't know if you understood me (probably my english-polish is my first language) they "flat tape it" inside corner first (gaps up to 1/2") wipe it down and right after they install tape in the corner.
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I don't know if you understood me (probably my english-polish is my first language) they "flat tape it" inside corner first (gaps up to 1/2") wipe it down and right after they install tape in the corner.
I think you are referring to double taping. Sure it can be done but prefilling is better.
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Yes double taping, thank you. They flat tape inside corner first and then install corner or install corner twice. I told them that I prefer pre fill and they said it takes to much time. So I said then I am not going to let that happen so he said if I want I can start pre fill upstairs and they will continue hanging downstairs, I said ok. But now he is telling me that is taking to long. I said but it is done right and it is ready for taping. He is keep telling me that drywall cracks no matter what because house moves (wood framing) and I fill like it is just blaming something else for not doing the job right.
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ok. I have to say something in their defense. They said that gaps up to 1/2" they flat tape.
is that ok to do? I thing the point of pre fill with durabond is that it wan't shrink and regular mud will which will result in cracks right?
Unless the frame is really,really bad ..There should be no flat taping in the angles.
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And the point is that the job is $15500 I am paying him $10,000 and looks like we will be done in 3 weeks total (hanging,finishing and priming) so I ask him if he is happy with the money he is going to make and he said yes. After paying his guys he still probably going to make $1800/week.
So I think I am fair. They don't have any automatic tools. I do have flushers, boxes and taping box but they don't like them too. It just looks like we have totally different ways of doing drywall. I don't know I guess I am not happy because I was expecting something more from a crew who do drywall for a living.

-gaps in hanging
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-no tools accept two 4' step ladders and 3 dewalt guns and router zip with the blade form the time when Michael Jekson was still white
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Yes double taping, thank you. They flat tape inside corner first and then install corner or install corner twice. I told them that I prefer pre fill and they said it takes to much time. So I said then I am not going to let that happen so he said if I want I can start pre fill upstairs and they will continue hanging downstairs, I said ok. But now he is telling me that is taking to long. I said but it is done right and it is ready for taping. He is keep telling me that drywall cracks no matter what because house moves (wood framing) and I fill like it is just blaming something else for not doing the job right.
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It is new house. Framing it is very, good not easiest house to hang and finish but still . I will put some pics tomorrow.
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Ask yourself this: If there are problems down the road, who will the owner come after, you or them? Sounds like they are just looking for the fastest buck and get out of there. You should insist it is done right and you want it prefilled.
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He is a nice guy I like him. He likes to keep the job site clean, make sure all doors are closed before we live, VERY hard worker it just seems like our views of how to build and run a business are totally different. One of his guys left because he didn't like my taping sequence. I like to do screws first they like to do them last. So his guy get upset and left.
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Ask yourself this: If there are problems down the road, who will the owner come after, you or them? Sounds like they are just looking for the fastest buck and get out of there. You should insist it is done right and you want it prefilled.
That it is exactly what I told him and he said ok but he is keep saying that if something cracks within a year we will have to go back and fix it anyway and I said yes but I want to do every thing in my power so I don't have to do this. I don't want to go back. I don't want to fix staff and work around furniture and I don't want have cracks at all not in a year not in 5.
This is probably $2,000,000 house by time is all set and done but even if it will be $200,000 ranch it still deserved good job. People paying us for it. The point I am trying to make is if it is very expensive house the furniture will probably match the house.
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He is a nice guy I like him. He likes to keep the job site clean, make sure all doors are closed before we live, VERY hard worker it just seems like our views of how to build and run a business are totally different. One of his guys left because he didn't like my taping sequence. I like to do screws first they like to do them last. So his guy get upset and left.
What, I do screws 1st, well ok, my labourer does, but still

Tapers boss of the rocker, and if your tape job sucks, then a painter becomes a boss over you,,, I hope you know what I mean by that
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