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Old 12-11-2010, 11:40 AM   #81
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Sooo basically give your butt joints a wedgie right? I suppose that would take out some of the 'clam shell' that USG butts are known for...but I have to wonder about the paper furling and fuzzling when you jam it together a little too hard. I once had a finisher claim he read in "The Manual" that you should leave an 1/8 inch gap for mud to fill better....needless to say we laughed in his face and made the next butt a 'pin joint' as usual
I HATE when people think we want gaps in our hanging haha.
In Montana we do have to "V" our butt joints or else the paper curls though. "V"ing your butts actually is in the installation manual.

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Old 12-11-2010, 10:57 PM   #82
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Sooo basically give your butt joints a wedgie right? I suppose that would take out some of the 'clam shell' that USG butts are known for...but I have to wonder about the paper furling and fuzzling when you jam it together a little too hard. I once had a finisher claim he read in "The Manual" that you should leave an 1/8 inch gap for mud to fill better....needless to say we laughed in his face and made the next butt a 'pin joint' as usual
I was mostly suggesting that the wall side of the sheet be beveled, and when the paper crumbles a little bit, you can trim the fuzz off nice and clean, and still have two exceptionally tight joints. For v-cuts, I sharpen my blade often, and trim at most a 1/16th to an 1/8th (whatever it takes to get rid of the loose paper). Most tapers I know (does that include me?) despise pre-fill, so I remove as much of that process as possible.

The bevel method works really great when hanging little headers in a hallway (backside of small closet, etc.), especially if you leave the recess on one side. Then you can tap that puppy pretty hard if you need to without blowing out the rock. I know quite a few production guys who'll just caulk the backsides of closets (not me) if they're hung tight enough.
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Very Smart my old man showed me this trick it's called a four by the door.. haha some people think you dont know what your doing when they see the overhang on the doors. shows how much they know
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My old man is a drywall genious some tricks he has thought me are leave board hanging over at least 4 inches so the flusher head can go through we also V out butt joints and make sure any delamb is taken care of allways V out the edge of the drywall before your screw it a trick i use is to just do it wile the sheet is on the ground or after you cut it with the T-square, coat screws in a length not indavidule because when you sand it doesnt burn the board between the screws. allways try hard to only sand mudd not board. use no-coat 450 it's the cats ass always cut out anything broken or blowen out
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I got a cool trick, if u dont have a router with you,works good. When you have a circle cutout,cut a piece of rock 1/2 the size of hole,say 6 inch can cut smallpiece 3 inches wide.measure center of can,put nail in center mark just enough to hold strong,put knife on edge of small piece u cut and spin around nail,bang out with hammer. Works good dont think alot of people have seen it
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Mostly good tips all I have to say is never use nails. There just there for job security. And the best statement here is that ALL hangers should be made to finish there hanging a few times! Heavy should always be used on a drywall job. Its no slower been sheetrocking north and south for years. And this will start a war I know! But Im originally from NY and I have not found one, not one, good finisher in the southern state that Im in and if you are a good one id like to meet you and shake your hand! No glue with all nails six inch cornerbeads, eight inch flats, twelve inch butts. Im not saying any of you do this but im sure youve seen it and if you do you need a different profession.

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I'm only 5'7" and about 165lbs or so, and I hang 12' 54" rock all day w/ no problem. Hang the top sheet, then then bottom. The only way I'm able to do this easily is because I use a Senco self-feeding screw gun. I lift the top sheet up, hold it against the ceiling w/ one arm, then grab the self-feeder that's clipped on my tool belt and just tack the sheet up. Try this w/ a regular screwgun, and every damned time you get the sheet up and go to grab your gun, the screw falls off before you can tack the sheet. lol Guess it just takes practice and knowing what you're doing to be able to hang by yourself all the time.

Im also 5'7 but less than 150. I also do the same and use a regular screw gun. Just what your used to.
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Don't use drywall nails if you can't install them right .I use them on the outsides of sheets only because im twice as fast as any screw gun for cheeper. one box of screws for fiffty bucks will last 25 thousand feet and the nails about the same total 100 bucks all screws for the same footage 4.5 buckets of screws total 225.no brainer unless your a rookie who never could put a nail if they tried.stick with the screws if you want ?

I Nailed drywall with the best in the 70s and 80s I can nail extremely fast but screw guns can be used much faster. Learn how to use one and then repost.
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We do super high end work union and non union. we use lasers and straight edges to put up beads. On a regular commercial or residential job we snap lines. we (carpenters) use tension pins or a finish nailer (16ga 80psi) to fasten the bead. On the high end jobs we traet the bead like crown molding. The supers walk around with 8' levels and plum-bobs to check the beads. we tried to make the tapers do it a bunch of times, fact is the beads always had waves like the atlantic ocean. i know all you finishers out there are gonna argue, but the level of finishing when architects, GC's, owner reps, designers etc, are scoping your work is MUCH more demanding.It'll make you feel like going back to school. Sometimes I miss doing houses in the burbs. So easy.

Unless your about two to three million high end is far from the words. I don't look at a job thats less than a million dollar home. Im not fighting with you but my finishers put up the beads and you come put your levels plumb bobs lasers and anything you want on there eyed beads and youll throw them in the garbage.
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[QUOTE=ManleyConSer;20928]I Nailed drywall with the best in the 70s and 80s I can nail extremely fast but screw guns can be used much faster. Learn how to use one and then repost. [/QUnails will go faster and faster and cheaper.I use screw kids to do that job .I dont have time to screw thats what I pay the kids for.they make 40.000 a year with me only putting in screws.learn how to nail and you can leave that job for the rookies while you do the important work.no brainer if you want to make over a hundred thousand a year.hanging.6 feet 200 pounds<Irarely use a self feeding screww gun unless im hanging just a small job.but i do have one just in case.I can load and screw faster then any selfload cause they jam unless you use brand new clips with screws .at ten buck a thousand i use them sparingly.sounds like you are a great screw guy.

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I Nailed drywall with the best in the 70s and 80s I can nail extremely fast but screw guns can be used much faster. Learn how to use one and then repost.
sound like you a srew gun man I hire rookies for that job IM too busy to hold a srewgun I cut measure and hang only.learn how to teach kids to do the easy jobs you will make more money.then repost lol rookie.
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Wow, it sure smells like.......testosterone in here.
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Mostly good tips all I have to say is never use nails. There just there for job security. And the best statement here is that ALL hangers should be made to finish there hanging a few times! Heavy should always be used on a drywall job. Its no slower been sheetrocking north and south for years. And this will start a war I know! But Im originally from NY and I have not found one, not one, good finisher in the southern state that Im in and if you are a good one id like to meet you and shake your hand! No glue with all nails six inch cornerbeads, eight inch flats, twelve inch butts. Im not saying any of you do this but im sure youve seen it and if you do you need a different profession.
there are good finishers here and bad ones just like there are all over the nation! and Canada
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Screws not sunk in the angels will do the same damage as a nail.each time I hear nail dont work I laugh at the guy who put that nail in.Nails are for pros with many houses under there belts and get hired on account of there reputation.I use all the reqired tools and matieral that gets the job done as fast and as I can.20 years in the biz I found out attatude is just as important as qwality when dealing with sombody whom gets you 100.000$ a year in work.If your boss says no nails then, thats easy don't use them, If the taper whines to your boss,you missed somthing.(PLUG),(crapfan),or somthing to that matter,still Its the boarders fault and can be backcharged if its more then a hrs work or anywhere near.make the tappers happy and you wont miss a days work .unless you live in Edmonton right now and the roads are so full of snow the drywall trucks are getting stuck and I use snowshoes to go to the corner store.
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A flexible plastic mud pan for setting compound cleans out way easier than a metal pan. DeAnne at Advance got me hooked. All I do is let the setting mud set up, twist the pan like an ice cube tray, and presto! clean pan
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If I have flex board and the arch is a small buda (nitch)I will bend both at once if it is very tight cause they seem to bend better in two.Better yet If you have a contenental kit on your old super van ,use that to bend you half inch C,D it bends very nice with some H2o and peaple wonder what the heck you are doing rubbing drywall on your spare.
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corner beads are leveled out with compound. right??
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i dont know what this guys trying to tell people but bad on him

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---When setting the depth of your screw gun, always do it on a piece of dunnage before production starts as opposed to on the wall during production.
your gun should be set from the last job

---Never tack around any fixtures that you will later cut/route out. Do that after.
you should alway keep screws away from you fixtures

--Nail the edges, screw the field.
nails crap and should be banned from use with drywall

---In residential construction. putting adhesive on BOTH the framing & the drywall isn't necessary, but it helps.
(residential) putting ahesive on both the drywall and the framing why not just put it on the framing then put your board up



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thats crap man nails are for hacks you arent even allowed to use them in my area because of all the problems they cause
you cant sink a nail with out hitting the board unless you use a 3/8 hammer head and that sound more crazy then saying nails are for pros come to bc canada you would last till someone saw you using nail and you would be fired
screw guns are for pros nails are for hacks
put alberta full of nailing hacks
ive seen tons of of crews come in a do one job then never get called
they are all from alberta i feel bad for them

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Screws not sunk in the angels will do the same damage as a nail.each time I hear nail dont work I laugh at the guy who put that nail in.Nails are for pros with many houses under there belts and get hired on account of there reputation.I use all the reqired tools and matieral that gets the job done as fast and as I can.20 years in the biz I found out attatude is just as important as qwality when dealing with sombody whom gets you 100.000$ a year in work.If your boss says no nails then, thats easy don't use them, If the taper whines to your boss,you missed somthing.(PLUG),(crapfan),or somthing to that matter,still Its the boarders fault and can be backcharged if its more then a hrs work or anywhere near.make the tappers happy and you wont miss a days work .unless you live in Edmonton right now and the roads are so full of snow the drywall trucks are getting stuck and I use snowshoes to go to the corner store.
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thats crap man nails are for hacks you arent even allowed to use them in my area because of all the problems they cause
you cant sink a nail with out hitting the board unless you use a 3/8 hammer head and that sound more crazy then saying nails are for pros come to bc canada you would last till someone saw you using nail and you would be fired
screw guns are for pros nails are for hacks
put alberta full of nailing hacks
ive seen tons of of crews come in a do one job then never get called
they are all from alberta i feel bad for them
it's to each his own Grass hopper,nickcuz is 20 years in this biz,and thats what works for him,I'm 30 years,and there's others on here longer than that.and something tells me he is better than you.#1 trying to get along with the other trades.
maybe you should talk to your cgc (usg) representative before you proclaim yours is the only way.Some GC prefer nails for they won't strip like a screw in the bevell,plus you can toe nail around door ways which is stronger than a screw.and in Ontario,they use nails,so I guess we all suck too,
you going to wish me to drop dead in this post too, youngbuck
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