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Old 03-13-2011, 10:28 PM   #1
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OK, here we go, I had 2 of our rocker crews visit this site, (now their calling me 2buck )
They seen a lot of the rockers on here talking about the auto feed screw guns, they were like "no way!!!! not cost effective". I would say their biggest beef is that the auto screws are twice the price of a regular box of screws. So to them that gun would have to be 3 to 4 times faster , than by hand. One said he could be faster than the auto gun , the other said they would jam too much.
so what are your opinions, pro's and cons, let the arguments !!!!!! I mean debate begin

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the hilti auto-feed will end up being the winner. If you buy your ammo from the right dealer the difference is way worth it. if you want more of a challenge put the single shot barrle on. rather prove than argue.
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OK, here we go, I had 2 of our rocker crews visit this site, (now their calling me 2buck )
They seen a lot of the rockers on here talking about the auto feed screw guns, they were like "no way!!!! not cost effective". I would say their biggest beef is that the auto screws are twice the price of a regular box of screws. So to them that gun would have to be 3 to 4 times faster , than by hand. One said he could be faster than the auto gun , the other said they would jam too much.
so what are your opinions, pro's and cons, let the arguments !!!!!! I mean debate begin
I use hilti autofeeders I love them....but hand feed also has its place.so do nails.when your hanging lids you cant beat autofeeders..I can run them efforticly.but I have lots of practice on them.lots.lots.lots.now some of my guys cant fully grasp how they work.you know not setting them in.setting them to deep..that reminds me of 2 guys tomorrow morning whos day is not gonna start real well after I have my morning talk with them..over setting and not setting screws and nail..anyways I have yet to show someone how to run a autofeeder that did not like its better than hand feeding...now i have a few cordless senco autofeeders that the head stays on non removible they suck they stay in the shop.....hilti all the way....my vote is auto.......but I still nail and hand feed aswe
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Hey buck what do you prefer
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I have never tried them, I full time tape now, But if I did rock I personally would check them out. Should also add our rockers nail the perimeters. So I'm looking for ammo to explain why they should get one. Or tell them they were right. plus this thread my help those debating if they should get one.
The one crew would try it if the screws weren't so high in price,(a young crew) but they were hhhhhmmmmmm to put that type of cash out. The older crew was "no way would they get one" surprise surprise eh'
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I will bet anyone, f#cking anyone, ANYONE, that I can blow the effing pants off of them with my corded Senco Strip Gun. I'm not young and dumb, I learned to hang behind a semi-fast hanger and I will put my money where my mouth is any day because I am confident that strip guns are superior tools for our trade.

I will admit that an auto feed gun may have a kink from time to time, but so does your average gun. I will share my knowledge and post photos of my gun with all of the necessary modifications that need to be done to it in order to make it lightning fast if anyone is interested.

The biggest problems they have are, occasionally the feeding mechanism will stick, and occasionally you cannot get far enough into an angle to screw off if the stud is skinny. Those are the only two things after you get over the initial learning curve and make the correct modifications.

The biggest advantage beside speed is there is less strain on your body in every way. Hanging lids is a breeze, hanging wall sheets by yourself is cake, and screwing off bottoms is so effing easy, 2Buck's fat arse wouldn't even work up a sweat doing it.

For the record I run Senco, Tyrex, and Hilti strips through my gun without any issues. However, given the choice I will run Hilti screws.

Screw prices direct from our local supplier are as follows around here:
8000 Loose 1-1/4", $43.00 @ $0.005375/Screw
4000 Tyrex Strips 1-1/4". $55.00 @ $0.01375/Screw
That is a $0.008375 difference per screw.
So yes, screws are usually about twice the price.

There are approximately 50 screws in each sheet.
$0.26875/sheet for loose.
$0.6875/sheet for strip.
$21.50/80 sheets for loose.
$55.00/80 sheets for strip.

$33.50/day more in screws for strips.


Here is how you get around the price.
(This is for example only.)

Harvey Wallbanger hangs 10 sheets an hour by himself. This provides us an average of 6 minutes to measure, cut, carry, hang, and screw off each sheet.
60 min / 10 sheets = 6 minutes, per sheet.
We can break it down this way:
<30 seconds to measure. <30 seconds to cut. <30 seconds to carry. <60 seconds to hang. <30 seconds to router. <3 minutes to screw off.
8 hour day yields 80 sheets @ 480 minutes.
So let's assume Harvey spends 3.5 hours a day screwing off, conservatively.
That's 2.625 minutes per sheet screwing off.
Screwing off with a strip gun is easily twice, if not three times faster. So let's assume 1 minute per sheet.
That takes your screwing off time down to 80 minutes for the day.
Conservatively let's assume 4 minutes per sheet cutting and hanging.
480 minutes in a day - 320 cutting and hanging - 80 screwing off = 400 minutes.
At this rate you would have to hang for an extra 22 minutes and put up 3.6 extra sheets a day to pay for your badass strip screws. But wait, even working 422 minutes a day you will be getting off an hour earlier and have made the same amount as if you had hung at the same pace with a loose gun!

What would you do with an extra 60 minutes a day? Go home an hour early? Stick around and hang 6 more sheets with your badass screw gun?

I hope I rest my case!

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Checkers called me fat

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I finished up my post 2buck!
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I have a senco strip gun[ cordless] don't do alot of hanging.
it is fast ,and the strip would jam / screws flip if i got in TOO big a hurry.
once i found my pace with it , had no problems. easy on the fingers too,
no digging in the screw pouch . dimples aren't as bad , compared to standard screw gun. i hate those dimples . 12 volt.. heavy at the end of the day.
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I use both--auto on ceilings is kind of a must and I use reg gun on wall hanging,,but we hang the whole house then go back and screw the field off on the walls with auto ,its faster!!!!
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I will translate for pe, I'm guessing he's french since he is from Montreal.
He wants a link for your gun checkers.

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Most of our jobs here have poly---we cant glue to poly-- when its spray foam ,yes!!!
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I will translate for pe, I'm guessing he's french since he is from Montreal.
He wants a link for your gun checkers.

And pe trapp, the habs suck
Thats what I think of the Habs and their stupid fans!!!!!
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I finished up my post 2buck!
good post checkers, so good that no one else will comment on this thread
I think our rockers may be a bunch of pre madonna's , Ive showed them and let them try my cordless de walt drywall guns and router. They were like naw. I think their afraid of new technology or something. My main point to them was it's CORDLESS !!!!!!!! Then it auto feeds !!!! Bonus !!!!!!

My main worry if I were still rocking would be the RPM's,durability and if it jammed alot , no one would half to sell me on the concept of the gun. But it's a lot better if their tried and tested by someone else.

And in case any of the rockers from my company are reading this " You guys do great work"

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My main worry if I were still rocking would be the RPM's,durability and if it jammed alot , no one would half to sell me on the concept of the gun. But it's a lot better if their tried and tested by someone else.
I agree, good post by Checkers

As for the main worry part...for me it's more about money. More expensive gun, more expensive screws. I spend all of my tool money on tools I don't already have, rather than upgraded versions of tools I already own. For instance, lately I'm plagued with desire for a Festool TS55 plunge cut saw and a roto-hammer. The saw is just a drool item that will allow me to cut sheet goods far more efficiently....the roto-hammer is to speed up all the holes I've been drilling into concrete lately (my milwaukee cordless is hating it)
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I have never actually tried out an auto feed,,, I did ask a supplier about them once.. He did not have anything postitive to say about the AF... The brand he was selling was Porter Cable.. The thing I noticed right off the bat was the extra weight. His biggest complaint was from guys getting jams. Maybe just been the brand ... But then again tools have come along way since I last check them out. I have another commercial job coming up soon,, started hanging on one commercial job yesterday.. would be interesting to see the difference on stand ups.. I think there could be alot of time saved on standups.Not sure what the deal is with all the commercial jobs,, seems like everyday I have more of them coming my way. and I am not even Looking for work. as I have stated in other post,, The shtf soon,, I'll be like one of them kitty kats out back in the sand pit soon
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sorry for my english
we try this machine for my guy s
i think is more fast to a standard screw gun

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