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**Darren@Partners** · 07-15-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rckslash2010

Whats wrong with having a couple beers at work? I used to do it all the time, just a couple though, usually while scraping out.

I used to go get the crew a 6 or 12 pack at days end, on occasion. Until I found out that I could be legally responsible for any accident they be involved in on their way home, and sued for resulting damages. Long shot? Yep. But you never know. And some builders or buyers will throw a fit at the site of alcohol on the job.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 07-15-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren@Partners

I used to go get the crew a 6 or 12 pack at days end, on accasion. Until I found out that I could be legally responsible for any accident they be involved in on their way home, and sued for resulting damages. Long shot? Yep. But you never know. And some builders or buyers will throw a fit at the site of alcohol on the job.

i agree.

i USED to do the same thing until the very reasons you pointed out Darren..

BUUUUUUUT......i still occassionally do this........i cant help it if i have my crew bust their hump for me on a saturday AND sunday to get a big job done for me and NOT buy em a 12 or 24 pack of bud light on their last couple hrs....

we all know how this works :P

Mcex-boarder · 10-12-2009, 06:26 PM

I have been a drywall installer for 23 years,and I have seen those prices,20 to 25 cents a foot,what I am having a hard time with is that in 23 years I have never seen a 2 man crew board 8000 sq ft of board in a day,the usual for a house that size is 2-3 days,lets say 2 and a half average,2000 sq ft living space times 3.8=7600 sq ft=1900 dollars,1900 divided by 2 = 900$ per man minus gas,nails and screws,lets say 850$ per man for 2-3 days work,this is the reality of a drywall boarder,three years ago that is,and dont forget these days that may be all the work you have this week,not a good living at all,dont forget to cut back on the booze and crack a bit and pay your taxes,I have been a real straight lace in the biz,no drink,no drugs,pay my guys,expenses,and taxes,at the end of the day it's not a good living,even in a dream world of 25 cents a foot

jonas drywall · 10-15-2009, 09:34 PM

I have been a hanger for 15 yrs. and I do 20,000. to 40,000 sq. ft. per week. And let me tell you this. What I do for the guys that subs me my work is worth more than .25 per ft., I charge .23 per ft. And employ 14 hangers. I carry insurance W.C & G. L.... we get the done so fast Its worth it. If you break it down rock cost .18 per ft. mud,tape, cost .04 per ft - hangers get .23 per ft. I dont know what you get but we get $1.10 per sq. ft. now you take .45 per ft. you have .65 per ft. to finsh a house. So what you are saying its ok to get .65 per ft. to finsh but .25 is to much for hangers. You have it wrong if you are to high you have to many people sitting at desk. And not working... Keep in mind we 2 yrs ago. we got .26 per ft and did close to 15,000 to 20,000 per day but I also had 21 hangers at the time. I dont know if this matters but we all are white boys. We glue and screw everything. I dont allow nails on my jobs. Only mex use nails around here.......

jonas drywall · 10-15-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcex-boarder

I have been a drywall installer for 23 years,and I have seen those prices,20 to 25 cents a foot,what I am having a hard time with is that in 23 years I have never seen a 2 man crew board 8000 sq ft of board in a day,the usual for a house that size is 2-3 days,lets say 2 and a half average,2000 sq ft living space times 3.8=7600 sq ft=1900 dollars,1900 divided by 2 = 900$ per man minus gas,nails and screws,lets say 850$ per man for 2-3 days work,this is the reality of a drywall boarder,three years ago that is,and dont forget these days that may be all the work you have this week,not a good living at all,dont forget to cut back on the booze and crack a bit and pay your taxes,I have been a real straight lace in the biz,no drink,no drugs,pay my guys,expenses,and taxes,at the end of the day it's not a good living,even in a dream world of 25 cents a foot

If 2 guys can do that I want them...

super rocker · 10-16-2009, 02:30 AM

I am confused by your post. One hanger CAN NOT hang 20000-40000 s. f. of board in one week. If one man hangs 10000 s.f. per week , consider your self lucky. I have been hanging for 38 years and I have seen them all. No one can hang 400-800 12' sheets per week. Impossible. Are you really getting $1.10 per s.f.? Wow. In the Chicago metro area , we are lucky to get $.80. If you are doing commercial work up here we might get $1.10. If you are getting that kind of money for residential, please post your phone number so I can move. Your point about tapers is right on. 99% of all tapers are pussies who think THEIR job is more important than ours. Every thing they do is exactly the same every time. The reason they think they are worth so much is because almost all drywall contractors are tapers. Therefore, they "deserve" more. The only difference between the best taper and the worst is their conscience. It is not an "art" like they tell you. The methods are exactly the same EVERY time. If any fool decides he wants a "career" in drywall, take my advice and become a taper. Very little physical labor,get all the praise, and be grossly over paid.

**silverstilts** · 10-16-2009, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by super rocker

I am confused by your post. One hanger CAN NOT hang 20000-40000 s. f. of board in one week. If one man hangs 10000 s.f. per week , consider your self lucky. I have been hanging for 38 years and I have seen them all. No one can hang 400-800 12' sheets per week. Impossible. Are you really getting $1.10 per s.f.? Wow. In the Chicago metro area , we are lucky to get $.80. If you are doing commercial work up here we might get $1.10. If you are getting that kind of money for residential, please post your phone number so I can move. Your point about tapers is right on. 99% of all tapers are pussies who think THEIR job is more important than ours. Every thing they do is exactly the same every time. The reason they think they are worth so much is because almost all drywall contractors are tapers. Therefore, they "deserve" more. The only difference between the best taper and the worst is their conscience. It is not an "art" like they tell you. The methods are exactly the same EVERY time. If any fool decides he wants a "career" in drywall, take my advice and become a taper. Very little physical labor,get all the praise, and be grossly over paid.

you must think that you are a god or something , I agree that hanging board can be difficult and demanding on the body , but you are wrong on the taping isn't an art . If it is such a pussy job maybe you should make life easy on yourself and start finishing , we all know better than that there is a good reason you don't .....taping not only involves great skill but also one has to have great agility and speed.... also have to fix all the f-ups behind hangers that don't care what they leave behind ... ( hang some board if it's not done right so what the taper will fix it , heard that so many times ) sure not all rockers are hacks but they are far and few in between or the most part most don't need a whole lot of common sense just a strong back and a weak mind , I do hand it to all of you hangers out there that know there stuff and do a quality job and make it look easy , but don't expect to come on here and slam the finishers without consequences its hangers like you and your attitudes that don,t care what they leave behind cause us finish guys to have to clean up your mess and make something out of nothing .......

Mcex-boarder · 10-16-2009, 11:05 AM

To who ever wrote they do 40,000 sq ft a week and employ 14 hangers,that's only 2857 sq ft per man per week,my earlier responce was that all lies and bragging aside,in 23 years have not seen a 2 man crew board 8000 sq feet a day,when I had my long term best partner,providing top quality boarding,and perfect synchronicity between us, we averaged 4000 sq feet a day and had a top reputation,and weather your taping or hanging,or even insulating for that matter,it's all hard work,just different styles of hard work,99 per cent of my work has been hanging but have veered off just long enough into other areas to learn to not mock the other guys for having it easy,try working all day with your stilts cranked right to the top and tell me it's easier than boarding,I learned my lesson.

Muddauber · 10-16-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by super rocker

I am confused by your post. One hanger CAN NOT hang 20000-40000 s. f. of board in one week. If one man hangs 10000 s.f. per week , consider your self lucky. I have been hanging for 38 years and I have seen them all. No one can hang 400-800 12' sheets per week. Impossible. Are you really getting $1.10 per s.f.? Wow. In the Chicago metro area , we are lucky to get $.80. If you are doing commercial work up here we might get $1.10. If you are getting that kind of money for residential, please post your phone number so I can move. Your point about tapers is right on. 99% of all tapers are pussies who think THEIR job is more important than ours. Every thing they do is exactly the same every time. The reason they think they are worth so much is because almost all drywall contractors are tapers. Therefore, they "deserve" more. The only difference between the best taper and the worst is their conscience. It is not an "art" like they tell you. The methods are exactly the same EVERY time. If any fool decides he wants a "career" in drywall, take my advice and become a taper. Very little physical labor,get all the praise, and be grossly over paid.

Very little physical labor? Huh!
Obviously you have never held a bazooka over your head all day, pushed a sand pole all day, dragged a pole gun with 150' of hose around all day, or as Mcex said, walked on 42" stilts all day. There is more to the job than walking around with a 6" knife spotting screws.
I've been in drywall 36 years now and have been both hanger and finisher. They are both very demanding on the body and I like Silver have the highest respect for a skilled hanger. No finisher can do a top quality job behind a board butcher.
Hangers and finishers should be working as a team to turn out a quality product, not crying like a baby about who has the easier job.

Finishing an " art " ? Yes it is. Try making a long 45 angle look straight when the framing is screwed up, or do a repair on a textured wall or ceiling and blend it in to where it doesn't show. How about drywalling over door openings in a remodel.How long does it take you to cut a 36"x 82" piece and stick it? A finisher will spend hours on it to where no one would ever know it had been patched.

**Darren@Partners** · 10-16-2009, 12:42 PM

Taping pays more because it takes more days/trips. Hangers get through in less than half the time, and yes it is more brutal. But that said, as a DC whose trade was hanging, without top-notch hangers AND top-notch finishers, it's just a battle every day. Also need a top-notch spray / touch-up man unless you can be everywhere at once....that is if you have the volume.

jonas drywall · 10-16-2009, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by super rocker

I am confused by your post. One hanger CAN NOT hang 20000-40000 s. f. of board in one week. If one man hangs 10000 s.f. per week , consider your self lucky. I have been hanging for 38 years and I have seen them all. No one can hang 400-800 12' sheets per week. Impossible. Are you really getting $1.10 per s.f.? Wow. In the Chicago metro area , we are lucky to get $.80. If you are doing commercial work up here we might get $1.10. If you are getting that kind of money for residential, please post your phone number so I can move. Your point about tapers is right on. 99% of all tapers are pussies who think THEIR job is more important than ours. Every thing they do is exactly the same every time. The reason they think they are worth so much is because almost all drywall contractors are tapers. Therefore, they "deserve" more. The only difference between the best taper and the worst is their conscience. It is not an "art" like they tell you. The methods are exactly the same EVERY time. If any fool decides he wants a "career" in drywall, take my advice and become a taper. Very little physical labor,get all the praise, and be grossly over paid.

You didnt read my post right. I do that with 14 man crew. And Yes I have guys on my crew that hangs over 10000. per week. If we have a flat 8ft house or a stand up job they better hang 4000 to 5000 between 2 guys. Or I dont make my bike payment. Now if you are in a cut up house or doing fire topping. Then it slows them down. But I have a crazy good crew I havent had to train anyone in yrs. I guess im lucky.. And as far as finshers its like this, I also finsh And there is no more art involed at all. I can run all the tools. I do have to say if you hang the job right its the same. But if you shim out walls and lids when they need it. cut angles tight, do 45 angles, to do a coffen the right way. There is as much art involved. Im sure you have finshed behind some hacks. Its not nice... But finshers do work just as hard. It kills my back to walk on stilts all day. Or run a box on lids for 3 hrs.

Quality1st · 10-16-2009, 11:52 PM

F U Buddy, nuff said

super rocker · 10-17-2009, 06:37 AM

This issue has been around forever about the tug of war between tapers and hangers. We do work in concert, but the frustration about lack of respect and less pay has always perplexed me. I have hung for approximately 20 taping contractors and they all want things done differently. When I started hanging for one guy, I asked him if he wanted any thing specific done. He said I knew a hell of a lot more about hanging than he did , so just do it. That's what I'm talking about. He never asked about the price and ALWAYS thanked me. What a great guy. Very few are like Darrell. It's too bad he retired. He was truly grateful, but sadly he's in a tiny minority. If you tapers have a good hanger don't dismiss the effort and commitment he has made to making your job mush easier. If some of you are following amateurs, why tolerate it? I am one hanger who has a very weak back, but a slightly stronger mind.

Quality1st · 10-18-2009, 10:01 AM

Myself i alaways find the best rockers in the area, and pay them more than anyone else. Even if its out of my end. I,m alaways the best quality finisher whereever i am, so its a good fit. Majority of rockers are real lazy and selfish. Areas that take time are usually the most abused, If they have to get on their knees to hang a peice, its really gonna be slammed. It doesn,t really take any more time to cut a peice right the first time, If! you,re a top rocker and have pride in your work and respect for the finisher behind you, and the homeowner. Who will end up paying 3 times the original cost on a 30yr mortgage. Any areas they have to get on their knees once, i have to get down 3 times. 4 times with the prefill to fix their ****. Good rockers are cherished and the rest should be **** on. If i was a big bad ass, i would have fought all the monkeys.Had a mentor tool pusher in the old days, and if a rocker abused his rock, he,d hunt him down immeadiately and make a believer out of him. Tough bastard was only 5ft7 and would fight 2 monsters at a time, and make short work of it. Needless to say he was highly skilled fighter and was ruthless. He,d poke em in the eyes, punch em the throat, take a bow for th crowd and then break or damage their instep. Push em off their feet and look at the next monster in line. True story. Anyway, love a craftsman, hate arrogant ,selfish monkeys. Nuff Said

S&SDRYWALL · 10-18-2009, 06:04 PM

Taping is not an art? ha, go get yourself some mesh tape and hot mud and "finish" some quality jobs, tool

super rocker · 10-18-2009, 08:44 PM

Quite an articulate post. I know at least 100 tapers and none of them has ever used mesh tape. Because you use it and hot mud makes you an "artist"? Some qualifications. I know you guys use this as a ploy to boost your image, but repetition does not make your job an "art" or a science. There is no challenge or thinking to taping. I will repeat this until the day I die. The ONLY difference between a poor taper and a great taper is their conscience. Don't kid your self to believe you are any thing more than any other tradesman. Pure bull****. You guys have been pampered from day one and are like petulant children because you are "artists". If you don't believe that , I ask you if there are more good tapers or more good hangers? Ithink you will say more good tapers because it much easier to master. If you say there are more good hangers , then I say you are full of crap. By reading this site I would guess most tapers have issues with their hangers. So please tell me again who is the artist?

jonas drywall · 10-19-2009, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by S&SDRYWALL

Taping is not an art? ha, go get yourself some mesh tape and hot mud and "finish" some quality jobs, tool

Mesh Tape really. Is that what they tell you to use on THIS OLD HOUSE...
I could of read it in one of them do it yourself books....

Not that its bad but you couldnt pay me to have that on a job.. I only want to do the job once..

Quality1st · 10-19-2009, 06:57 AM

Figured they,d jump on me ,but they,re all over you S and S. By the way you never returned my e-message. No art huh? I can take the most intricate house and finish it smoothwall good enough to be painted in high gloss automotive oil. Or turn all the walls to look like cultured stone, with fossils inlaid in the texture, if i choose. We,re all just skilled labor and what makes a craftsman is what,s in his heart. Do every project like it was for your mother, and put a little love in it. Otherwise it just a job and your work is just average, or just sucks. Sorry for my arrogance but i,ve done that on every job i,ve done in 30 yrs and alaways will. Put my work up against anybody anywhere, that,s not brag, it just means i put my all in to it. Okay come and get me now. By the way i acceppt all quality challenges with large bets involved. Need the money. Giddyup

S&SDRYWALL · 10-19-2009, 07:36 PM

I am pretty sure you took it the wrong way jonas, I do not use mesh tape, I only do new construction homes. I was telling you, to go get some hot mud, and mesh tape and "think" you know how to properly finish drywall.

Of course it looks good to you, you don't know any better. But for you to say any idiot can go tape a house, that is true, because any idiot can, but I havent met a drywaller that can properly finish thats an idiot. Ive seen plenty of butch jobs, and I wont touch them, like I said, I do NEW construction, Not remodel w/ new sheetrock. I started doing remodels and small patch jobs, now im finishing 650 sheets a week, consistantly, with 3 guys! I dont need more than a 3 man crew, We are liked, and have an amazing reputation, I dont struggle for work, it comes to me.

Whitey97 · 10-19-2009, 11:08 PM

Now this turned into a good thread.. hell yeah guys! *fight *fight *fight!

10-16-2009, 12:42 PM	#70
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 829	Taping pays more because it takes more days/trips. Hangers get through in less than half the time, and yes it is more brutal. But that said, as a DC whose trade was hanging, without top-notch hangers AND top-notch finishers, it's just a battle every day. Also need a top-notch spray / touch-up man unless you can be everywhere at once....that is if you have the volume. __________________ www.partnersconstruction-drywall.com

10-16-2009, 11:52 PM	#72
Quality1st Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79	To Superrocker F U Buddy, nuff said

10-18-2009, 10:01 AM	#74
Quality1st Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79	Monkeys can do it Myself i alaways find the best rockers in the area, and pay them more than anyone else. Even if its out of my end. I,m alaways the best quality finisher whereever i am, so its a good fit. Majority of rockers are real lazy and selfish. Areas that take time are usually the most abused, If they have to get on their knees to hang a peice, its really gonna be slammed. It doesn,t really take any more time to cut a peice right the first time, If! you,re a top rocker and have pride in your work and respect for the finisher behind you, and the homeowner. Who will end up paying 3 times the original cost on a 30yr mortgage. Any areas they have to get on their knees once, i have to get down 3 times. 4 times with the prefill to fix their **. Good rockers are cherished and the rest should be ** on. If i was a big bad ass, i would have fought all the monkeys.Had a mentor tool pusher in the old days, and if a rocker abused his rock, he,d hunt him down immeadiately and make a believer out of him. Tough bastard was only 5ft7 and would fight 2 monsters at a time, and make short work of it. Needless to say he was highly skilled fighter and was ruthless. He,d poke em in the eyes, punch em the throat, take a bow for th crowd and then break or damage their instep. Push em off their feet and look at the next monster in line. True story. Anyway, love a craftsman, hate arrogant ,selfish monkeys. Nuff Said

10-19-2009, 06:57 AM	#78
Quality1st Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79	Ha Ha" Figured they,d jump on me ,but they,re all over you S and S. By the way you never returned my e-message. No art huh? I can take the most intricate house and finish it smoothwall good enough to be painted in high gloss automotive oil. Or turn all the walls to look like cultured stone, with fossils inlaid in the texture, if i choose. We,re all just skilled labor and what makes a craftsman is what,s in his heart. Do every project like it was for your mother, and put a little love in it. Otherwise it just a job and your work is just average, or just sucks. Sorry for my arrogance but i,ve done that on every job i,ve done in 30 yrs and alaways will. Put my work up against anybody anywhere, that,s not brag, it just means i put my all in to it. Okay come and get me now. By the way i acceppt all quality challenges with large bets involved. Need the money. Giddyup

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10-12-2009, 06:26 PM	#63
Mcex-boarder Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: canada Posts: 13	I have been a drywall installer for 23 years,and I have seen those prices,20 to 25 cents a foot,what I am having a hard time with is that in 23 years I have never seen a 2 man crew board 8000 sq ft of board in a day,the usual for a house that size is 2-3 days,lets say 2 and a half average,2000 sq ft living space times 3.8=7600 sq ft=1900 dollars,1900 divided by 2 = 900$ per man minus gas,nails and screws,lets say 850$ per man for 2-3 days work,this is the reality of a drywall boarder,three years ago that is,and dont forget these days that may be all the work you have this week,not a good living at all,dont forget to cut back on the booze and crack a bit and pay your taxes,I have been a real straight lace in the biz,no drink,no drugs,pay my guys,expenses,and taxes,at the end of the day it's not a good living,even in a dream world of 25 cents a foot

10-15-2009, 09:34 PM	#64
jonas drywall Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: saint joseph, Mo. Posts: 4	I have been a hanger for 15 yrs. and I do 20,000. to 40,000 sq. ft. per week. And let me tell you this. What I do for the guys that subs me my work is worth more than .25 per ft., I charge .23 per ft. And employ 14 hangers. I carry insurance W.C & G. L.... we get the done so fast Its worth it. If you break it down rock cost .18 per ft. mud,tape, cost .04 per ft - hangers get .23 per ft. I dont know what you get but we get $1.10 per sq. ft. now you take .45 per ft. you have .65 per ft. to finsh a house. So what you are saying its ok to get .65 per ft. to finsh but .25 is to much for hangers. You have it wrong if you are to high you have to many people sitting at desk. And not working... Keep in mind we 2 yrs ago. we got .26 per ft and did close to 15,000 to 20,000 per day but I also had 21 hangers at the time. I dont know if this matters but we all are white boys. We glue and screw everything. I dont allow nails on my jobs. Only mex use nails around here.......

10-16-2009, 02:30 AM	#66
super rocker Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: illinois Posts: 20	I am confused by your post. One hanger CAN NOT hang 20000-40000 s. f. of board in one week. If one man hangs 10000 s.f. per week , consider your self lucky. I have been hanging for 38 years and I have seen them all. No one can hang 400-800 12' sheets per week. Impossible. Are you really getting $1.10 per s.f.? Wow. In the Chicago metro area , we are lucky to get $.80. If you are doing commercial work up here we might get $1.10. If you are getting that kind of money for residential, please post your phone number so I can move. Your point about tapers is right on. 99% of all tapers are pussies who think THEIR job is more important than ours. Every thing they do is exactly the same every time. The reason they think they are worth so much is because almost all drywall contractors are tapers. Therefore, they "deserve" more. The only difference between the best taper and the worst is their conscience. It is not an "art" like they tell you. The methods are exactly the same EVERY time. If any fool decides he wants a "career" in drywall, take my advice and become a taper. Very little physical labor,get all the praise, and be grossly over paid.

10-16-2009, 11:05 AM	#68
Mcex-boarder Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: canada Posts: 13	To who ever wrote they do 40,000 sq ft a week and employ 14 hangers,that's only 2857 sq ft per man per week,my earlier responce was that all lies and bragging aside,in 23 years have not seen a 2 man crew board 8000 sq feet a day,when I had my long term best partner,providing top quality boarding,and perfect synchronicity between us, we averaged 4000 sq feet a day and had a top reputation,and weather your taping or hanging,or even insulating for that matter,it's all hard work,just different styles of hard work,99 per cent of my work has been hanging but have veered off just long enough into other areas to learn to not mock the other guys for having it easy,try working all day with your stilts cranked right to the top and tell me it's easier than boarding,I learned my lesson.

10-17-2009, 06:37 AM	#73
super rocker Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: illinois Posts: 20	This issue has been around forever about the tug of war between tapers and hangers. We do work in concert, but the frustration about lack of respect and less pay has always perplexed me. I have hung for approximately 20 taping contractors and they all want things done differently. When I started hanging for one guy, I asked him if he wanted any thing specific done. He said I knew a hell of a lot more about hanging than he did , so just do it. That's what I'm talking about. He never asked about the price and ALWAYS thanked me. What a great guy. Very few are like Darrell. It's too bad he retired. He was truly grateful, but sadly he's in a tiny minority. If you tapers have a good hanger don't dismiss the effort and commitment he has made to making your job mush easier. If some of you are following amateurs, why tolerate it? I am one hanger who has a very weak back, but a slightly stronger mind.

10-18-2009, 06:04 PM	#75
S&SDRYWALL Finishing Your Dream Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Dakota Posts: 42	Taping is not an art? ha, go get yourself some mesh tape and hot mud and "finish" some quality jobs, tool

10-18-2009, 08:44 PM	#76
super rocker Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: illinois Posts: 20	Quite an articulate post. I know at least 100 tapers and none of them has ever used mesh tape. Because you use it and hot mud makes you an "artist"? Some qualifications. I know you guys use this as a ploy to boost your image, but repetition does not make your job an "art" or a science. There is no challenge or thinking to taping. I will repeat this until the day I die. The ONLY difference between a poor taper and a great taper is their conscience. Don't kid your self to believe you are any thing more than any other tradesman. Pure bull****. You guys have been pampered from day one and are like petulant children because you are "artists". If you don't believe that , I ask you if there are more good tapers or more good hangers? Ithink you will say more good tapers because it much easier to master. If you say there are more good hangers , then I say you are full of crap. By reading this site I would guess most tapers have issues with their hangers. So please tell me again who is the artist?

10-19-2009, 07:36 PM	#79
S&SDRYWALL Finishing Your Dream Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Dakota Posts: 42	I am pretty sure you took it the wrong way jonas, I do not use mesh tape, I only do new construction homes. I was telling you, to go get some hot mud, and mesh tape and "think" you know how to properly finish drywall. Of course it looks good to you, you don't know any better. But for you to say any idiot can go tape a house, that is true, because any idiot can, but I havent met a drywaller that can properly finish thats an idiot. Ive seen plenty of butch jobs, and I wont touch them, like I said, I do NEW construction, Not remodel w/ new sheetrock. I started doing remodels and small patch jobs, now im finishing 650 sheets a week, consistantly, with 3 guys! I dont need more than a 3 man crew, We are liked, and have an amazing reputation, I dont struggle for work, it comes to me.

10-19-2009, 11:08 PM	#80
Whitey97 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Twin Cities Mn Posts: 941	Now this turned into a good thread.. hell yeah guys! fight fight *fight!