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Whitey97 · 03-10-2009, 02:18 AM

lol, those are all the reasons I justify charging what I do. My company has all of those things listed, besides the license, Mn doesn't require that. We're a little weird, however that's how you seperate the hacks from the hero's. Dependent on whether they have their LLC or not

Custom Drywall Svc. · 03-10-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitey97

instead of raggin on him for paying him that, maybe you should see what that includes. I'm sure his answer may be something like, moving the sheet rock from where the stockers left it (in the garage) rock the house, scrap and sweep. That I can definitly see being paid that much for. I know I agreed with how much he pays his rockers, however that's what I charge when I do it. When I have my other guys do it, it's between .16 - .20. I really don't see anything that's wrong with that. That is what the going rate is here.

first off, any hanging crew that thinks that by 'moving sheetrock from the garage' and by sweeping up and cleaning up after themselves is doing ME a "favor".......you gotta be kidding me right? i feel this should be STANDARD for ANY crew.....i dont care how little you get paid. any smart crew around here knows this, and does this without even saying. especially people that work for me.

and God only hope thats what .25/sf will get ya. hell, for 25 cents, they better lick the floors clean.

man whitey, if you can honestly say that is the 'going rate' where you are from.....boy, i really really feel bad. it may seem great to ya, but who knows how long that can last. if you have plenty of work, good for you. to me, that is unsustainable.

Whitey97 · 03-10-2009, 02:38 AM

That's what I charge, that's what the market has allowed me to get. I don't see me lowering prices, a good business doesn't do that, from my perspective. If you want results you have to pay for it. It doesn't mean the economy isn't bad here, quite the opposite. But, H/O's and Contractors both have noted the difference between the "hacks" vs. the lagit guys and after the last 5-10 years of dealing with it, are now willing to pay for the difference. It's all about the "want it tax" That's how I see it.

Whitey97 · 03-10-2009, 02:48 AM

Let me ask you this. If you were in the position to charge more, you wouldn't? I must be doing something correct if I'm able to charge that and "get away with it" Yeah, I have my slow times, yeah there are some gaps recently. How I see it is this. At least I'm not out there doing cheap work, just to fill my gap. I would rather sit at home, and figure out how to expand my business that do that. Or play on the computer, and read the forums! no seriously, I'm addicted to this forum

**silverstilts** · 03-10-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitey97

instead of raggin on him for paying him that, maybe you should see what that includes. I'm sure his answer may be something like, moving the sheet rock from where the stockers left it (in the garage) rock the house, scrap and sweep. That I can definitly see being paid that much for. I know I agreed with how much he pays his rockers, however that's what I charge when I do it. When I have my other guys do it, it's between .16 - .20. I really don't see anything that's wrong with that. That is what the going rate is here.

AMEN to that ....... There is nothing worse than going into a job site that has scrap Sheetrock knee deep .... then who has to move it ... can't always wait for a labor to do it ....... why should i waste my time cleaning up a mess i didn't make.... i don't expect someone else to clean mine up either that's why we clean up after ourselves..... trust me it goes a long ways in the contractors eyes when he don't have to deal with it either.... it also shows what other quality work you do , its part of good work ethics..

**Darren@Partners** · 03-10-2009, 08:58 AM

Hope I didn't sound like I was raggin'. Tried to qualify my statements best I could. There are rare cases where hangers gotta tote rock depending on accessibility etc. And yes I'll pay extra for sweeping, scrapping, extra framing, laying floor paper and the like. But I certainly didn't get the impression this is the case here. My apologies if I am wrong.

But I'll stand behind my comments. My objective is not to "share the wealth" so much as it is to remain viable and be profitable. My hangers know I pay as much or more than anybody else in this market. In fact, usually more. But still, even with extras like above, for normal production houses, it'll NEVER exceed .15. My .02 on that.

On the hacks, Custom, later today I'll go start another thread on them. Have two jobs to go look at today

just wish they were houses instead of basement and attic finishes. Gee, now I sound greedy.

**Darren@Partners** · 03-10-2009, 09:07 AM

And Whitey, LLC doesn't make the man. The worst paying builders in the world are LLC. And I too have been a little bit if a forum junkie of late.

To be sure, I have NO problems with a guy getting all he can on a job. My premise is to make a good margin but be reasonable enough (and do stellar work) for them to refer me on to others. Their reaction to my work and price should be "Geez, that work is awesome and the were so fast and professional" not "Well they the did a great job, but I think I got gouged". It's a fine line.

Whitey97 · 03-10-2009, 10:40 AM

Darren, I didn't think you were raggin' at least from what I remember. I've got too many threads going

I understand what you may think about LLC where you are from, However as of Jan 1 here in Mn if you don't have at minimum an LLC you can't be a certified "drywall expert" we're trying to eliminate what is left of the hacks/illegals. I think Stilts and I just have a lot of the same opinions because we deal with the same type of crap here. It's probably not like the variable you all have to deal with. We're a little funny here in the Land of Lakes!

Correction: I did say you were raggin' on him LOL. Oh well that's what makes this forum great! we're actually adults and can carry on our opinion without the stomping of feet and folded arms.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 03-10-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren@Partners

Hope I didn't sound like I was raggin'. Tried to qualify my statements best I could. There are rare cases where hangers gotta tote rock depending on accessibility etc. And yes I'll pay extra for sweeping, scrapping, extra framing, laying floor paper and the like. But I certainly didn't get the impression this is the case here. My apologies if I am wrong.

But I'll stand behind my comments. My objective is not to "share the wealth" so much as it is to remain viable and be profitable. My hangers know I pay as much or more than anybody else in this market. In fact, usually more. But still, even with extras like above, for normal production houses, it'll NEVER exceed .15. My .02 on that.

On the hacks, Custom, later today I'll go start another thread on them. Have two jobs to go look at today

just wish they were houses instead of basement and attic finishes. Gee, now I sound greedy.

never exceeding .15 cents per sf for production houses......

thank god someone finally made me not feel like my market was THAT cheap.

seriously, i was starting to wonder 'is my market this cheap??'

because ur rite darren....15 cents for production, to ME....is still out of the question.

i keep my main crew busy every day doing production houses at 8 cents, period. 12 cents for customs. 2000 board sf and under, by the hour, at 12 bucks.

my employees may not be jumping up and down and celebrating for making a 'killing' hanging houses -- but believe me, you can see it on their face every morning how absolutely fortunate they are to be working at least 35 hrs per week.

...and trust me...if your employees ARE 'jumping up and down celebrating at work" from a business owners standpoint, thats not always a 'good' thing.

i feel if your employees are 'too' satisfied and happy, somethings not rite and you're most likely being taken advantage of.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 03-10-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren@Partners

My objective is not to "share the wealth" so much as it is to remain viable and be profitable.

oh Darren, and i forgot not to freakin pat you on the back for this statement.

some people ive seen before on this site sound like they belong in europe, by the negative sentiment they have on capitalism.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 03-10-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitey97

Let me ask you this. If you were in the position to charge more, you wouldn't? I must be doing something correct if I'm able to charge that and "get away with it" Yeah, I have my slow times, yeah there are some gaps recently. How I see it is this. At least I'm not out there doing cheap work, just to fill my gap. I would rather sit at home, and figure out how to expand my business that do that. Or play on the computer, and read the forums! no seriously, I'm addicted to this forum

ur absolutely right buddy.

as long as your not hurting anyone, doing it all within legal means, more power to ya......

do you, your family, and your business first....thats how i look at it. because NO ONE else is going to care about it, but you, and you alone.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 03-10-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren@Partners

Hope I didn't sound like I was raggin'. Tried to qualify my statements best I could. There are rare cases where hangers gotta tote rock depending on accessibility etc. And yes I'll pay extra for sweeping, scrapping, extra framing, laying floor paper and the like. But I certainly didn't get the impression this is the case here. My apologies if I am wrong.

But I'll stand behind my comments. My objective is not to "share the wealth" so much as it is to remain viable and be profitable. My hangers know I pay as much or more than anybody else in this market. In fact, usually more. But still, even with extras like above, for normal production houses, it'll NEVER exceed .15. My .02 on that.

On the hacks, Custom, later today I'll go start another thread on them. Have two jobs to go look at today

just wish they were houses instead of basement and attic finishes. Gee, now I sound greedy.

i honestly dont agree with Darren on paying extra for sweeing, scraping, etc.....this may be the first time we actually disagree on something hahaha...

however, i do have to agree with stilts on this.......a finisher, per se......shouldnt have to go onto the jobsite and work around a hangers mess.

lets put it this way, do you pay your gardener extra for cleaning up his lawn, bush, and weed trimmings?

and on the hacks, hahah....i cant wait .....im sure we all have stories for DAYS.

you know Darren, about basement type BS jobs and attic jobs, etc....

man, its amazing, years ago when things were TOO BUSY, i used to turn away that work on the phone on the spot............its amazing NOW the things we'll do just to keep busy.

from little patchworks....to attics........everything is work nowadays.

what i call the 'cream' work just isnt there anymore, as in new residential construction......

joepro0000 · 03-10-2009, 09:40 PM

My main drywallers have slowed down after 18 years hanging, but the 2 man crew will take a day and half. Keep in mind this is South Florida, screw inspections, screws every 12" apart or closer in some districts. I do have a quicker 2 man crew who can do it in 6 -8 hrs, but its sloppy. I'd rather choose the regular hangers and know they will install the sheets tight, and all the screws in. I pay them hourly or by the board. Depends on the job. Always 2 man or 4 man crew.

**Darren@Partners** · 03-11-2009, 08:02 AM

That .15... that's if they scrap, frame, etc. My regular rate is .12 + .01 for fasteners and glue. But that's fixin' to go down .01 real soon. And used to give 'em .01 if we go out of town, say 90-120 miles but no more. I might add these guys do quite possibly the cleanest work I've ever since. Maybe cover 2 boxes in the pat 10 months. One of the big outfits here has hanging down around .08 and taping at .10 PERIOD. That's what a sign on their says I'm told.

eastex1963 · 03-11-2009, 08:44 AM

Ok, let me get this right...they way we price work has me confused. I do it this way....Since I hang, AND finish, I charge by the sq. ft. of rock used. Ya know, 4x8 32 sq. ft. 4x12 48 sq. ft. etc. Ok. Also, I charge anywhere from .38 to .50 per sq. ft. so @ .38 that's $18.24 for every 12 footer. Average sq. ft. new const. here is oh, 2000 sq. ft. Takes around 150 12's. That makes it $2736. You're telling me, Darren, that these guys do the hanging, tape, bed, skim, texture for .18???? That's $1296....WOW. That's crazy. Even just the hanging would be more than that here. And I ain't in Houston or Dallas.....That's Tyler. And btw, my prices are below the norm. because of low overhead. (Me and 3 helpers). Now if you're talking just labor on just hang and tape, well I could believe that. Hell, I totally agree with Whitey, I'll sit and play at the computer and pork the old lady 2 or 3 times a day before I "pay" somebody to go do their work......and basically that's what some guys do....Hell, my wife loves me....I don't have to be gone from home just to be gone.....

BUT, I do have to go......gotta hang another one today......

**Darren@Partners** · 03-11-2009, 08:49 AM

Funny how it turned out yesterday...Had to flip my schedule, instead of going to an attic and basement, wound up headed the other way. Had to remeasure an upcoming job to exclude the bsmt on a custom house 90 miles away, and en route another guy in the area needed #s on a complete finish (out of the blue) and had another pretty choice job in the area to measure anyway. So what started off as a 2 turd day, wound up measuring up two houses, one of which I had no idea was coming up + adjusting count on a third. That and the DOW was up nearly 400, maybe things are gonna improve quicker after all.
Geez, if they were just 9 miles instead of 90.....

**Darren@Partners** · 03-11-2009, 08:57 AM

Eastex, nooooo. Am referencing the hanging only. And the guy paying .08 is Hanging only and has his hourly guys scrap. and the .10 for taping is for finishing only, not spraying nor sanding. I think that should clear it up a little. And btw .38-.50 for labor is about what most get around here for what you describe, give or take.

DrunkenMexican27 · 04-03-2009, 07:51 PM

way to rag on that guy and demean him id love to be your guys workers and be belittled like that

**Darren@Partners** · 04-03-2009, 09:08 PM

Funny thing about an internet forum...never can tell if someone is smiling when they're typing sarcasm. I don't think anyone got belittled here, or I missed something. Just guys comparing things in different markets, and believe we all understand each other.

A+ Texture LLC · 04-03-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkenMexican27

way to rag on that guy and demean him id love to be your guys workers and be belittled like that

Maybe your drunk and don't know what the hell your talkin about.

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03-10-2009, 02:18 AM	#21
Whitey97 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Twin Cities Mn Posts: 911	lol, those are all the reasons I justify charging what I do. My company has all of those things listed, besides the license, Mn doesn't require that. We're a little weird, however that's how you seperate the hacks from the hero's. Dependent on whether they have their LLC or not

03-10-2009, 02:38 AM	#23
Whitey97 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Twin Cities Mn Posts: 911	That's what I charge, that's what the market has allowed me to get. I don't see me lowering prices, a good business doesn't do that, from my perspective. If you want results you have to pay for it. It doesn't mean the economy isn't bad here, quite the opposite. But, H/O's and Contractors both have noted the difference between the "hacks" vs. the lagit guys and after the last 5-10 years of dealing with it, are now willing to pay for the difference. It's all about the "want it tax" That's how I see it.

03-10-2009, 02:48 AM	#24
Whitey97 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Twin Cities Mn Posts: 911	Let me ask you this. If you were in the position to charge more, you wouldn't? I must be doing something correct if I'm able to charge that and "get away with it" Yeah, I have my slow times, yeah there are some gaps recently. How I see it is this. At least I'm not out there doing cheap work, just to fill my gap. I would rather sit at home, and figure out how to expand my business that do that. Or play on the computer, and read the forums! no seriously, I'm addicted to this forum

03-10-2009, 08:58 AM	#26
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 758	Hope I didn't sound like I was raggin'. Tried to qualify my statements best I could. There are rare cases where hangers gotta tote rock depending on accessibility etc. And yes I'll pay extra for sweeping, scrapping, extra framing, laying floor paper and the like. But I certainly didn't get the impression this is the case here. My apologies if I am wrong. But I'll stand behind my comments. My objective is not to "share the wealth" so much as it is to remain viable and be profitable. My hangers know I pay as much or more than anybody else in this market. In fact, usually more. But still, even with extras like above, for normal production houses, it'll NEVER exceed .15. My .02 on that. On the hacks, Custom, later today I'll go start another thread on them. Have two jobs to go look at today just wish they were houses instead of basement and attic finishes. Gee, now I sound greedy.

03-10-2009, 09:07 AM	#27
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 758	And Whitey, LLC doesn't make the man. The worst paying builders in the world are LLC. And I too have been a little bit if a forum junkie of late. To be sure, I have NO problems with a guy getting all he can on a job. My premise is to make a good margin but be reasonable enough (and do stellar work) for them to refer me on to others. Their reaction to my work and price should be "Geez, that work is awesome and the were so fast and professional" not "Well they the did a great job, but I think I got gouged". It's a fine line.

03-10-2009, 10:40 AM	#28
Whitey97 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Twin Cities Mn Posts: 911	Darren, I didn't think you were raggin' at least from what I remember. I've got too many threads going I understand what you may think about LLC where you are from, However as of Jan 1 here in Mn if you don't have at minimum an LLC you can't be a certified "drywall expert" we're trying to eliminate what is left of the hacks/illegals. I think Stilts and I just have a lot of the same opinions because we deal with the same type of crap here. It's probably not like the variable you all have to deal with. We're a little funny here in the Land of Lakes! Correction: I did say you were raggin' on him LOL. Oh well that's what makes this forum great! we're actually adults and can carry on our opinion without the stomping of feet and folded arms.

03-10-2009, 09:40 PM	#33
joepro0000 The Drywall King! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 331	My main drywallers have slowed down after 18 years hanging, but the 2 man crew will take a day and half. Keep in mind this is South Florida, screw inspections, screws every 12" apart or closer in some districts. I do have a quicker 2 man crew who can do it in 6 -8 hrs, but its sloppy. I'd rather choose the regular hangers and know they will install the sheets tight, and all the screws in. I pay them hourly or by the board. Depends on the job. Always 2 man or 4 man crew.

03-11-2009, 08:02 AM	#34
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 758	That .15... that's if they scrap, frame, etc. My regular rate is .12 + .01 for fasteners and glue. But that's fixin' to go down .01 real soon. And used to give 'em .01 if we go out of town, say 90-120 miles but no more. I might add these guys do quite possibly the cleanest work I've ever since. Maybe cover 2 boxes in the pat 10 months. One of the big outfits here has hanging down around .08 and taping at .10 PERIOD. That's what a sign on their says I'm told.

03-11-2009, 08:44 AM	#35
eastex1963 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eastern Texas Posts: 78	Ok, let me get this right...they way we price work has me confused. I do it this way....Since I hang, AND finish, I charge by the sq. ft. of rock used. Ya know, 4x8 32 sq. ft. 4x12 48 sq. ft. etc. Ok. Also, I charge anywhere from .38 to .50 per sq. ft. so @ .38 that's $18.24 for every 12 footer. Average sq. ft. new const. here is oh, 2000 sq. ft. Takes around 150 12's. That makes it $2736. You're telling me, Darren, that these guys do the hanging, tape, bed, skim, texture for .18???? That's $1296....WOW. That's crazy. Even just the hanging would be more than that here. And I ain't in Houston or Dallas.....That's Tyler. And btw, my prices are below the norm. because of low overhead. (Me and 3 helpers). Now if you're talking just labor on just hang and tape, well I could believe that. Hell, I totally agree with Whitey, I'll sit and play at the computer and pork the old lady 2 or 3 times a day before I "pay" somebody to go do their work......and basically that's what some guys do....Hell, my wife loves me....I don't have to be gone from home just to be gone..... BUT, I do have to go......gotta hang another one today......

03-11-2009, 08:49 AM	#36
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 758	Funny how it turned out yesterday...Had to flip my schedule, instead of going to an attic and basement, wound up headed the other way. Had to remeasure an upcoming job to exclude the bsmt on a custom house 90 miles away, and en route another guy in the area needed #s on a complete finish (out of the blue) and had another pretty choice job in the area to measure anyway. So what started off as a 2 turd day, wound up measuring up two houses, one of which I had no idea was coming up + adjusting count on a third. That and the DOW was up nearly 400, maybe things are gonna improve quicker after all. Geez, if they were just 9 miles instead of 90.....

03-11-2009, 08:57 AM	#37
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 758	Eastex, nooooo. Am referencing the hanging only. And the guy paying .08 is Hanging only and has his hourly guys scrap. and the .10 for taping is for finishing only, not spraying nor sanding. I think that should clear it up a little. And btw .38-.50 for labor is about what most get around here for what you describe, give or take.

04-03-2009, 07:51 PM	#38
DrunkenMexican27 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grand Rapids Posts: 4	way to rag on that guy and demean him id love to be your guys workers and be belittled like that

04-03-2009, 09:08 PM	#39
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 758	Funny thing about an internet forum...never can tell if someone is smiling when they're typing sarcasm. I don't think anyone got belittled here, or I missed something. Just guys comparing things in different markets, and believe we all understand each other.