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**Darren@Partners** · 03-09-2009, 06:38 PM

Have threatened to but never have tried... showing up at church, sit behind them and then ask the congregation to pray for the pri** who won't pay me but still has it to put on their plate. Lord I apologize......

HUDSON795 · 04-13-2009, 07:16 PM

If the contractor who owes you money has a construction loan get in touch with the bank who is funding the project. Tell them you will lien the project. Bank will get all sorts of upset and 'encourage' the contrator to pay you.

tapingfool · 04-13-2009, 07:45 PM

Sometimes this works, lately I get a down payment and installments with only a third left upon completion, keeps them contractors somewhat honest..

**Darren@Partners** · 04-13-2009, 11:16 PM

Yeh, but most are pulling draws and really can't pay on thirds, especially at the pace we go, they'd be at the bank every three days. Only time I get that to work is on builds or customs where the HO will run to the bank on hanging day and again on the last day.

tapingfool · 04-14-2009, 08:48 AM

well if you agree with the Payer about payments, they should respect it. I just did a job for some polish guy, and told him I want half down and the rest upon completion, and he said ok..some do some don't

A+ Texture LLC · 04-14-2009, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapingfool

well if you agree with the Payer about payments, they should respect it. I just did a job for some polish guy, and told him I want half down and the rest upon completion, and he said ok..some do some don't

What the hell are ya gonna do with ALL THAT SAUSAGE!?!?

joepro0000 · 05-31-2009, 08:40 PM

Nathan,

I think we should do a list of contractors who don't pay list per each state, especially Florida and an explannation for it.

joepro0000 · 05-31-2009, 08:42 PM

Say=
abcde contruction - did not pay for whatevejf jhfdkfjfk - for complete details email : hfhhf@aol.com - etc.

Because there are alot of cons out there! Funny someone on here from this site got conned by one of these guys I posted- New Alliance Construction is a scam!

taper71 · 10-01-2009, 09:45 AM

Executive Drywall here in Edmontoin Alberta did not pay me . Their reason was I did not have job complete by the invoice date ( which it was ) . I should have ran the moment I walked onto the site 22 000 ft of board finished. I did manage to get a draw 1/2 way through but still owed $4500. If you are a Drywall contractor ( employee) who subs from Drywall contractors watch out for these guys.

joepro0000 · 10-01-2009, 06:02 PM

Theres an Executive Drywall out here in Miami, FL. Wonder if its the same guys. Lien the job. Watch out for SLATER CONSTRUCTION!

taper71 · 10-01-2009, 06:57 PM

Yes I talked directly to the builder yesterday and informed him that I was on my way to lien his house. He was not happy. Told me that he still owed Executive drywall more than what is owed to me and said that Executive Drywall had tried to collect full payment before the texture and walk through was done. Asked if I could hold off liening his place until the boss of Executive returned from out of town on monday. I am hopeful that I will get paid then -we shall see.

snapper714 · 12-14-2009, 08:50 PM

from the Montgomery Alabama area be careful with Brown Construction, that guy is just a lot of talk, he will say hes got the money but wont answer phone calls or pay late his name is Jonny Brown....he owes half the town.

liver · 02-25-2010, 11:05 PM

Willam Shane Smith. goes by Shane Smith. Girfriend is Deborah Gibson. Will Smith and Debbie Gibson..... yeah i know, no Sh*t.... Owned Blackbird Renovations in Nelson, BC. ran to Edmonton when the poop hit the fan. About 10 of us ripped off, some of us awarded a legal decision in our favour, but he is long gone. I was in the courtroom when he was called, so the name is legal, but he did not show. tall skinny bald, covered in tattoos, snaggle toothed. i am sure he is pulling the same scam somewhere in Alberta. will see if i can find a picture to post.

fj5race · 03-06-2010, 08:09 AM

I hate to say that my Dad shot someone twice once in the hand and once in the ear for not doing the work he got paid to do. It was in the $100,000s of dollars but He went to prison for 4 years. Was it really worth it??

I have a brother that did a job and did not get paid so he ripped the drywall right off the wall ever last sheet. You can't do stuff like that in these times. everybody wants to sue you for everything. I say just pay your bill if you recieved nice work... Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darren@Partners

One Drywall Contractor in Blue Springs MO shot and killed builder over $1100. Don't think he'll ever collect.

Quality1st · 03-06-2010, 08:43 AM

If anyone ever is in the Flathead Valley of Montana, stay away from a character by the name of Elvis Hilliard. Hilliard Drywall , and he is a drywall pimp who has ripped off everyone who has ever worked for him. Alot of people want to shoot him but nobody has yet. One young apprentice who was owed about 6 weeks back pay went to see him with a 357 under his coat. Pulled it on him and demanded his pay. He said he didn,t have it and the kid made him go sell his truck right then and there, to pay him. Kid was from outback Alaska and would have shot him,

Whitey97 · 03-06-2010, 10:32 AM

Light bulb just went off!

Quality1st · 03-06-2010, 08:25 PM

I,m from Great Falls Mt. originally and we had this rocker, forget his name but not his moxie. Anyway he was a helluva good rocker, and drinker and fighter. He rocked this house for this new california transplant, developer/ bull**** artist. Guy stroked him around and around, and then finally just flat kept away from him physically. Real good idea. Rocker finds out he owes everybody in town, involved with his buildings. Leaves a message giving this punk 24 hrs to pay in full or else. No response and no money. This cat, the rocker, goes over to the house he rocked. which is now finished. Jumps out of his truck with 2 jerrey cans of gas at 9am in the morning and burned that bugger to the crete. Rocker goes hunting and cops go lookin for him. D.A looked at the situation and he knew about this fekker from cali because he had lots of complaints of now payment for labor and materials. D.A. contacted rockers friends and told him to stay out of the state for 1 yr and all would pass. Rocker goes to Mexico, state takes fekker.s properties and pays bills and rocker comes back to no charges. Thats what we call western justice in montana or used to. That rocker was quite a character , he only drank at one bar and once a month he,d call the barkeep over, give him a c note or better, say his goodybyes and then on his way out kick the exterior door off its pegs. They he destroyed that door once a month and never harmed a soul unless they begged for it, OR DIDN,T GIVE HIM HIS PEICE OFF. True story, rocker met his end working a job out of town in a hotel when he fell asleep drunk with a cigarette and died of smoke inhalation.By the way when he got back from Mexico, D.A. had his check for him.

Quality1st · 03-08-2010, 07:01 AM

As work gets tighter and tighter, more games will be played by GC,s big and small. When you deal with new companies, some will be real strict on your credentials, and will claim theymve had lots of problem,s in the past. They want their subs hungry and malleable so they can beat down prices and so you will back off when they slow pay and break their word to you. Alot of them will have no cash reserves so its their way of surviving. The less they trust you, the more they need to be watched. Keep your contracts clear and concise and study up on your local lein laws. After the contracts signed and the work started, ask them to be truthful about paydays and tell them you need advance warning if there,s any problems on their side. Ask the other subs about their credibility and find out which bank is financing. If it appears to be getting ziggy, go introduce yourself to the bank officer in charge of the loan. Tell him you will do everything in your power to give them quality and service and to keep the job moving. Ask for confidentiallity as you are just trying to make an honest living. This usually works unless the officer and the GC are buddies. Let the GAMES begin.

FOR THOSE ABOUT · 03-08-2010, 08:43 AM

Calibre Homes-Galveston, Texas. Some blue tarpers who came in right after the storm hit. These guys opened up a huge showroom downtown and had atleast 20 salesmen who they labeled as project managers. Also all these guys were hooked up thru this get rich quick club called 'Market America'. Which must be some hook up they get after they are Born Again. None of these guys had any business in the construction business. A couple of names Tom Holden started this branch of the racket. Mark Windell came in after months of Tom's mismanagement and lined his pockets. These guys got there feet wet during Katrina and went at it full bore after Ike. Storm Chasers. BE AFRAID...BE VERY AFRAID. Into me for $5300.00. Lein in place, didn't help that out of all the families we helped down there this one family "shrek family robinson" had blown all there money in the beginning buying big screen T.V.'s so when it came down to them needing to replace the cabinets which were mold damaged they just wanted us to spray with bleach and paint over to hide for the insurance company. Did some awesome work for these folks totally renovated their master bath, glass block, custom shower. Double buffaloed bench in the shower for the Mrs. These folks were a couple of white trash who acted like they had just won the lottery. I find as much fault with them as I do with Calibre simply because they had the option to pay us as well and did not. Stuff your faces, pad your pockets I hope you die a slow and miserable death.

Quality1st · 03-09-2010, 02:05 PM

Anyone in this area and Canada be aware. Those big jobs financed by the big Hong Kong and Singapore banks are what they call Shrewd.If you have a big individual contract with them personally, do not expect to get the last 10 to 15% that they hold till completed and finished. No matter how good of work you do or how fast,or even if they just flat love you. Its their policy to screw all contractors out of this, and they tell you it,s not personal, its just business. They say you,re welcome to fight it, but their retained lawyers are paid big bucks to kick your ass. You literally have to spend 50K to collect 50K , so believe them they know.Its apart of a cultural thing with the chinese, and you,re expected to know this about them. They,ll pay you well and on time, and even bring suitcases of cash to keep crews on jobs overtime. I had a builder buddy in Seattle learn the hard way, ( TWICE) They said he was one of the best they had dealt with and they were very fond of him, and he was considered a preferred builder with them. But they still did it to him again. I guess you,re supposed to add an extra 15% on your contract to cover it. Go figure

03-09-2009, 06:38 PM	#21
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 829	Have threatened to but never have tried... showing up at church, sit behind them and then ask the congregation to pray for the pri** who won't pay me but still has it to put on their plate. Lord I apologize...... Last edited by Darren@Partners; 03-09-2009 at 06:43 PM.

04-13-2009, 07:16 PM	#22
HUDSON795 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Elizabeth, NJ Posts: 1	Get 'em where it hurts.. the bank. If the contractor who owes you money has a construction loan get in touch with the bank who is funding the project. Tell them you will lien the project. Bank will get all sorts of upset and 'encourage' the contrator to pay you.

03-06-2010, 08:43 AM	#35
Quality1st Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79	A Real Dandy If anyone ever is in the Flathead Valley of Montana, stay away from a character by the name of Elvis Hilliard. Hilliard Drywall , and he is a drywall pimp who has ripped off everyone who has ever worked for him. Alot of people want to shoot him but nobody has yet. One young apprentice who was owed about 6 weeks back pay went to see him with a 357 under his coat. Pulled it on him and demanded his pay. He said he didn,t have it and the kid made him go sell his truck right then and there, to pay him. Kid was from outback Alaska and would have shot him,

03-06-2010, 08:25 PM	#37
Quality1st Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79	Another Story I,m from Great Falls Mt. originally and we had this rocker, forget his name but not his moxie. Anyway he was a helluva good rocker, and drinker and fighter. He rocked this house for this new california transplant, developer/ bull**** artist. Guy stroked him around and around, and then finally just flat kept away from him physically. Real good idea. Rocker finds out he owes everybody in town, involved with his buildings. Leaves a message giving this punk 24 hrs to pay in full or else. No response and no money. This cat, the rocker, goes over to the house he rocked. which is now finished. Jumps out of his truck with 2 jerrey cans of gas at 9am in the morning and burned that bugger to the crete. Rocker goes hunting and cops go lookin for him. D.A looked at the situation and he knew about this fekker from cali because he had lots of complaints of now payment for labor and materials. D.A. contacted rockers friends and told him to stay out of the state for 1 yr and all would pass. Rocker goes to Mexico, state takes fekker.s properties and pays bills and rocker comes back to no charges. Thats what we call western justice in montana or used to. That rocker was quite a character , he only drank at one bar and once a month he,d call the barkeep over, give him a c note or better, say his goodybyes and then on his way out kick the exterior door off its pegs. They he destroyed that door once a month and never harmed a soul unless they begged for it, OR DIDN,T GIVE HIM HIS PEICE OFF. True story, rocker met his end working a job out of town in a hotel when he fell asleep drunk with a cigarette and died of smoke inhalation.By the way when he got back from Mexico, D.A. had his check for him.

03-08-2010, 07:01 AM	#38
Quality1st Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79	GC Warning As work gets tighter and tighter, more games will be played by GC,s big and small. When you deal with new companies, some will be real strict on your credentials, and will claim theymve had lots of problem,s in the past. They want their subs hungry and malleable so they can beat down prices and so you will back off when they slow pay and break their word to you. Alot of them will have no cash reserves so its their way of surviving. The less they trust you, the more they need to be watched. Keep your contracts clear and concise and study up on your local lein laws. After the contracts signed and the work started, ask them to be truthful about paydays and tell them you need advance warning if there,s any problems on their side. Ask the other subs about their credibility and find out which bank is financing. If it appears to be getting ziggy, go introduce yourself to the bank officer in charge of the loan. Tell him you will do everything in your power to give them quality and service and to keep the job moving. Ask for confidentiallity as you are just trying to make an honest living. This usually works unless the officer and the GC are buddies. Let the GAMES begin.

04-13-2009, 07:45 PM	#23
tapingfool Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 87	Sometimes this works, lately I get a down payment and installments with only a third left upon completion, keeps them contractors somewhat honest..

04-13-2009, 11:16 PM	#24
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 829	Yeh, but most are pulling draws and really can't pay on thirds, especially at the pace we go, they'd be at the bank every three days. Only time I get that to work is on builds or customs where the HO will run to the bank on hanging day and again on the last day.

04-14-2009, 08:48 AM	#25
tapingfool Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 87	well if you agree with the Payer about payments, they should respect it. I just did a job for some polish guy, and told him I want half down and the rest upon completion, and he said ok..some do some don't

05-31-2009, 08:40 PM	#27
joepro0000 The Drywall King! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 394	Nathan, I think we should do a list of contractors who don't pay list per each state, especially Florida and an explannation for it.

05-31-2009, 08:42 PM	#28
joepro0000 The Drywall King! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 394	Say= abcde contruction - did not pay for whatevejf jhfdkfjfk - for complete details email : hfhhf@aol.com - etc. Because there are alot of cons out there! Funny someone on here from this site got conned by one of these guys I posted- New Alliance Construction is a scam!

10-01-2009, 09:45 AM	#29
taper71 Mud Manipulator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sherwood Park, AB Posts: 91	Executive Drywall here in Edmontoin Alberta did not pay me . Their reason was I did not have job complete by the invoice date ( which it was ) . I should have ran the moment I walked onto the site 22 000 ft of board finished. I did manage to get a draw 1/2 way through but still owed $4500. If you are a Drywall contractor ( employee) who subs from Drywall contractors watch out for these guys.

10-01-2009, 06:02 PM	#30
joepro0000 The Drywall King! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 394	Theres an Executive Drywall out here in Miami, FL. Wonder if its the same guys. Lien the job. Watch out for SLATER CONSTRUCTION!

10-01-2009, 06:57 PM	#31
taper71 Mud Manipulator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sherwood Park, AB Posts: 91	Yes I talked directly to the builder yesterday and informed him that I was on my way to lien his house. He was not happy. Told me that he still owed Executive drywall more than what is owed to me and said that Executive Drywall had tried to collect full payment before the texture and walk through was done. Asked if I could hold off liening his place until the boss of Executive returned from out of town on monday. I am hopeful that I will get paid then -we shall see.

12-14-2009, 08:50 PM	#32
snapper714 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clanton Alabama Posts: 3	from the Montgomery Alabama area be careful with Brown Construction, that guy is just a lot of talk, he will say hes got the money but wont answer phone calls or pay late his name is Jonny Brown....he owes half the town.

02-25-2010, 11:05 PM	#33
liver Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: nelson BC Canada Posts: 4	Willam Shane Smith. goes by Shane Smith. Girfriend is Deborah Gibson. Will Smith and Debbie Gibson..... yeah i know, no Sh*t.... Owned Blackbird Renovations in Nelson, BC. ran to Edmonton when the poop hit the fan. About 10 of us ripped off, some of us awarded a legal decision in our favour, but he is long gone. I was in the courtroom when he was called, so the name is legal, but he did not show. tall skinny bald, covered in tattoos, snaggle toothed. i am sure he is pulling the same scam somewhere in Alberta. will see if i can find a picture to post.

03-06-2010, 10:32 AM	#36
Whitey97 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Twin Cities Mn Posts: 941	Light bulb just went off!

03-08-2010, 08:43 AM	#39
FOR THOSE ABOUT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: maine Posts: 139	Calibre Homes-Galveston, Texas. Some blue tarpers who came in right after the storm hit. These guys opened up a huge showroom downtown and had atleast 20 salesmen who they labeled as project managers. Also all these guys were hooked up thru this get rich quick club called 'Market America'. Which must be some hook up they get after they are Born Again. None of these guys had any business in the construction business. A couple of names Tom Holden started this branch of the racket. Mark Windell came in after months of Tom's mismanagement and lined his pockets. These guys got there feet wet during Katrina and went at it full bore after Ike. Storm Chasers. BE AFRAID...BE VERY AFRAID. Into me for $5300.00. Lein in place, didn't help that out of all the families we helped down there this one family "shrek family robinson" had blown all there money in the beginning buying big screen T.V.'s so when it came down to them needing to replace the cabinets which were mold damaged they just wanted us to spray with bleach and paint over to hide for the insurance company. Did some awesome work for these folks totally renovated their master bath, glass block, custom shower. Double buffaloed bench in the shower for the Mrs. These folks were a couple of white trash who acted like they had just won the lottery. I find as much fault with them as I do with Calibre simply because they had the option to pay us as well and did not. Stuff your faces, pad your pockets I hope you die a slow and miserable death.

03-09-2010, 02:05 PM	#40
Quality1st Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79	Hong Kong Money; Pacific Northwest Anyone in this area and Canada be aware. Those big jobs financed by the big Hong Kong and Singapore banks are what they call Shrewd.If you have a big individual contract with them personally, do not expect to get the last 10 to 15% that they hold till completed and finished. No matter how good of work you do or how fast,or even if they just flat love you. Its their policy to screw all contractors out of this, and they tell you it,s not personal, its just business. They say you,re welcome to fight it, but their retained lawyers are paid big bucks to kick your ass. You literally have to spend 50K to collect 50K , so believe them they know.Its apart of a cultural thing with the chinese, and you,re expected to know this about them. They,ll pay you well and on time, and even bring suitcases of cash to keep crews on jobs overtime. I had a builder buddy in Seattle learn the hard way, ( TWICE) They said he was one of the best they had dealt with and they were very fond of him, and he was considered a preferred builder with them. But they still did it to him again. I guess you,re supposed to add an extra 15% on your contract to cover it. Go figure

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