Your thoughts on LEED relating to drywall?

leadarrows

Any one know how to copy and paste from an Adobe file with out losing the format?
I lose the columns and it dosent make sense.

Darren@Partners

It all makes sense, but chemical analysis is way over my head though. And the concept of dry storage isn't feasible(for me). Would be handling the lime two extra times.

The grinders I have seen were mountable to a trailer or truck with a 5' x 2' throat. One could pitch scrap directly from the house into the grinder and sold for 4000-7000, I think. All the tub grinders if seen were used for trees and brush or even tires.

I appreciate the personal satisfaction you derive from all this, but still fail to see this as a profitable venture. The kind of rates you're charging are great, I guess. But the numbers for that one hour are misleading. No way is anyone going to operate that set up more than a hour at a time (except on apt. & hotel jobs). The logistics still do not work. During the boom maybe, but certainly not now. Not trying to be negative, but if this were a business plan and I were to attempt to get a banker behind this... Well, I just can't see it.

Please enlightened me if the following is incorrect. The average drywall job is maybe 10k sq ft. I'd hope the scrap on it would be 1 ton or less. To do eight tons in one hour, I'd have to scrap 8 houses at the same location at the same time. Is my math right so far? Also one hour labor -- One hour for the machines maybe, but either the machines move to the scrap or the scrap moves to the machines, right? Must be an hour more at each end. If you're bagging product, there must also be a bagging machine too. All of which have upkeep and sure the parts aren't locally available. The Dump fees you are saving will offset costs to a degree and the dumps aren't ever going to drop prices, so I see a big benefit there. But still...

Maybe if you were co-oped with an MFA or Ag lime supplier (but you'd be their competition?). Or if a Scrapper service were to bring the scrap to you vs. the dump(would also get glue tubes and other unusable materials). As you say, you are also in the farm business and have the contacts obviously.

What is the going rate for regular Ag Lime? Are your customers saving money by buying from you or do they do it for the satisfaction also?

Again, am just playing the devil's advocate here. I too have family in the ag business. But the last thing I need right now is to launch a venture with so much capital outlay with so little ROI. I do have a tractor w/ a loader, but the grinder, bagger and storage site would be a chunk.

Whitey97

The young fellow would tell you, but the old guy has left a bad impression.

leadarrows

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leadarrows

I'M crushed I assure you.

I don't know what kind of personal issues you have but I assure you I don't care. It dose bother me that some member someday may do a search on this subject and they will have to wade through your BS to read anything of substance. So if you would say something intelligent or butt out I would appreciate it and if the Mods would remove this guys posts from this thread and this one as well I would appreciate that even more.

Darren@Partners

Seems you have all the angles covered and answered pretty much all my questions so far. As to Whitey's comments, at least he showing interest.

I assure you my interest is piqued, but yes my ability to capitalize on this concept is hampered by the current market.

If you might indulge me a bit more though. Is the product being used more for pasture or for row crops? And if you are receiving scrap from others' jobs, you must be charging them a tipping fee (is that what you meant at $35.00 - your previous post) or by the ton like the landfill?

I believe there is a postive cash flow potential for this endeavor. It is apparent that your situation is such that it has been a much smaller leap to get into it without a huge capital outlay. Aside from the grinder and the chemical analysis, you pretty much had all the other parts to the equation already in hand. I hope to see other posters take up some interest also. I remain interested in the concept and will straw poll some local Ag people.

Whitey97

I'll be real quick and to the point. I don't know how I rubbed you the wrong way, but your comments to me have been rude and sarcastic. I even tried to apololgize and you just kept them coming. If you weren't being such a prick to me, I would have had no problem helping you with your adobe problem. I also would be showing interest, what do you think Mn is? nothing but fields.... now lets see how you can jab me with my comments now

leadarrows

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I thought this was a serious discussion. If not, never mind, I have better things to do then waste my time.


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I'll be real quick and to the point. I don't know how I rubbed you the wrong way, but your comments to me have been rude and sarcastic. I even tried to apololgize and you just kept them coming. If you weren't being such a prick to me, I would have had no problem helping you with your adobe problem. I also would be showing interest, what do you think Mn is? nothing but fields.... now lets see how you can jab me with my comments now

That's all the time I am going to waste arguing with you. This has ruined this thread for me I don't want to be associated with it any longer so I am removing the info I posted ... my apologies to the rest of you.

Whitey97

wow, talk about alpha dog syndrom. once again, I attempted to appologize, and yet once again you come with this crap.

Darren@Partners

Gee Whitey, looks like leadarrows took his toys and went home. I will try to PM him.

Whitey97

yeah I dunno...It started off harmless, with a wisecrack, I guess he couldn't take it. I tried, what else can I do? Funniest part is, it was interesting to me. I guess I lack the "people skills"

Darren@Partners

I've tossed this idea around for a lot of years. After quizing him, I see that it will only work for someone with the space and proximity to the work and with yet more underutilized equipment than I. As bad as I hate repairing stator pumps, can't imagine keeping a tub grinder on-line too. And yeh, I thought he took himself a little too seriously. Eco-hero

TracyMC

Drywall Sol. , I have had the opportunity to be involved with several LEED projects. As with anything, the first one is a PITA, but it does get easier. The nice thing is for the majority of the products we use as GWB contractors, they already meet LEED standards. The main issue you have with LEED compliance is Recycling Gyp board waste, I and lucky to live in an area that does have a Facility, the downside to it is they are the only game around and you pay dearly. Products such as GWB Adhesive, Sound Sealants, Fire Caulks, all have to meet the VOC parameter, which most already do, and the majority of manufacturers have LED Certs, available online to download. Low VOC, off Gassing, recycled content, and ability of waste to be recycled are all taken into consideration to get a LEED Certification. LEED certs for a building owner equals huge tax breaks for a long time and tons of money saved. Which in turn makes us able to bid these projects @ a premium price. In our trade it really boils down to bulding a good submittal package that is steadfast and certifiable and stick to it, and 3 Dumpsters, GWB waste (Recycled), Metal waste ( Recycled and you get paid for it), and Non recyclable Refuse > 10% of overall. The Labor really is'nt to much extra 1 or 2 laborers can take care of a huge job. You just have to be on top of it with tracking recycling tickets and dump bills for certifications. As far as LEED classes go, as a GC, I would say for sure you want to take the classes, As a Interior finishes contractor I would say it's not necessary, common sense and your vendors can help you out alot in figuring it out. It would be a great idea to get it figured out now because it wont be to far down the road until the "greenies" have every commercial and a lot of residential projects in the LEED program.
Just my 2 cents!!!!!!!
Trace

leadarrows

I can take anything you want to dish out if I want to...I just wasn’t in the mood for it. I came here to help the seriously minded. I didn't find that in you.
At the time I just didn't feel like fooling around about it. So if someone takes what they do seriously they have the problem? OK fine! That's why I don't waste my time with that attitude. Maybe you just need to learn when to shut-up and let others who really want to discuss something do the talking. Not everyone want's to be the Deal with it.

I ask the mods to delete your posts in this thread so I could get it back on track. They did not do so, so I left. Simple as that.

S&SDRYWALL

rebel20

First of all if you don't have a sense of humor then my opinion is to bad. Second Leeds is and will be extra paper work its been being done here in Germany and Europe for the last 15 years. Basically its seperating yor trash Ie. recyclable materials. not hard to do just takes time to get used to. As was already said three different containers. Normally here we seperate everything then there is the receiving station which seperates it again. All packages that are recyclable have a color logo on them so you know which garbage can or container to dispose of them. For the most part we burn the trash here for energy. Instead of Coal or nuclear. The only thing it helps is mother earth 70% of nonbiodegradable items do not end up in the dump. Usa has point system which we had 15 years ago Tax deduction. Ok so what its a buracracy thing. And where do you think Al Gore got the Idea. I find it ok but like I said paperwork involved the materials are not any different. And its mainly at the Manufacturer and GC/Builder level.
By the way Whitey the hippies only thought of one green in the 60's and 70's.
Rebel

Whitey97

and the 60's and 70's were the best. At least that's what I've heard

leadarrows - go back... it was much more peaceful without you and your jabbering :p

Muddauber

[quote=Whitey97;6856]and the 60's and 70's were the best. At least that's what I've heard

Yes they were. As far as I can remember anyway.