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Custom Drywall Svc. · 06-03-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mushin Drywall

My companies average production schedule. I'm a little embarrassed as of late. Its just me and a helper right now. Living off patchwork and small remodels and additions. I've been picking up some commercial tenant improvement work. Luckily my cost of living is pretty low. I was watching "Deadliest catch" a couple of nights ago. The fishing was terrible and I really liked what one of the captains said. "Sometimes you just have to grind it out, long hours, whatever it takes to make the quota". That's what we're doing now.

yea DO NOT be embarrassed, please.

this topic is all supposed to be helpful, for everyone in here. no ones criticizing you.

if you company is small, and setup efficient enough....you can do JUST FINE off of patchworks, believe me.

Lotta the problem is these medium-big sized companies like myself, who are SETUP initially for big projects........its obviously tough when the segment you specialize in is DOWN. but like i said, if your company is setup for patch and repair work.......then run it like that.

to each his own.

Whitey97 · 06-03-2009, 05:52 PM

Hell, I would almost prefer those small patch jobs, fast turn around. Decent money, Nothing too difficult. IN and OUT!

Custom Drywall Svc. · 06-03-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitey97

Hell, I would almost prefer those small patch jobs, fast turn around. Decent money, Nothing too difficult. IN and OUT!

there ya go!!

exactly.

my patch guy spends no more than 2 working days on the majority of our 'small patches'.....

it IS a very fast turnaround time.

and ur absolutely right Whitey, i almost prefer those.......for example, if i can do 10-15 small patch jobs ($300 bucks +) PER week, id run with that allllllll day, and alllllll week long, no problem.

i average about 1 every week - 2 weeks though...so...

Muddauber · 06-03-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Custom Drywall Svc.

there ya go!!

exactly.

my patch guy spends no more than 2 working days on the majority of our 'small patches'.....

it IS a very fast turnaround time.

and ur absolutely right Whitey, i almost prefer those.......for example, if i can do 10-15 small patch jobs ($300 bucks +) PER week, id run with that allllllll day, and alllllll week long, no problem.

i average about 1 every week - 2 weeks though...so...

I've been thinkig about getting out of new construction all together and going into repair work only.

Here are some of my recent repair jobs.
1.Tear out plaster ceiling in bathroom,hang & smooth finish $750.00
In/out , check in hand.

2.Set up scaffolds 3 & 1/2 bucks high,tear out loose angle tapes, retape,finish.
In/out, check in hand. $1320.00

3.Hang kitchen ceiling finish smooth. $832.00
In/out check in hand.

4.Drywall repairs after mold cleanup.$1184.00
In/out check in hand.

5.Repair wall & ceiling after closets removed , sand down stipple texture on ceiling & finish smooth. $681.
In/out check in hand.

6.Paint bedroom ceiling with kilz & apply clamshell texture. $494.00
In/out check in hand.

7. Tear out water damaged bedroom ceiling, hang & texture finish.$660.00
In/out check in hand.

8. Repair water damage in kitchen ceiling. 1 8' board. $300.00
In/out check in hand.

9. Kitchen repairs after soffit & closet removal. $1200.00
In/out check in hand.

**Darren@Partners** · 06-04-2009, 12:27 AM

The patch and repair (and CL) work has definitely been nothing to sneeze at these days. Even hired (part-time) an old taper with skills to handle 'em. Just don't quite get enough to ever get him 40.

Got another decent CL job today. Will actually turn into a repeat customer (flipper). Knows that drywall, while not beyond his skills, is better left to the pros. They had all the ceilings scraped and trim demo'd. Bunch of patches and angle repair, but my crew of three should still patch and prep in one day, spray and touch-up the next (1/2 day), and sand third day (1/2?). And going back in two weeks to do the basement finish.

Other patch job this week ($350) turned into a total repaint $2800.

But to compare /contrast how much biz is off from 3-4 years ago: My revenues are down to 25% of '05. One of the big outfits is down 20%. Not to be braggin', but I'm holdin' onto more (of less)

Custom Drywall Svc. · 06-04-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddauber

I've been thinkig about getting out of new construction all together and going into repair work only.

Here are some of my recent repair jobs.
1.Tear out plaster ceiling in bathroom,hang & smooth finish $750.00
In/out , check in hand.

2.Set up scaffolds 3 & 1/2 bucks high,tear out loose angle tapes, retape,finish.
In/out, check in hand. $1320.00

3.Hang kitchen ceiling finish smooth. $832.00
In/out check in hand.

4.Drywall repairs after mold cleanup.$1184.00
In/out check in hand.

5.Repair wall & ceiling after closets removed , sand down stipple texture on ceiling & finish smooth. $681.
In/out check in hand.

6.Paint bedroom ceiling with kilz & apply clamshell texture. $494.00
In/out check in hand.

7. Tear out water damaged bedroom ceiling, hang & texture finish.$660.00
In/out check in hand.

8. Repair water damage in kitchen ceiling. 1 8' board. $300.00
In/out check in hand.

9. Kitchen repairs after soffit & closet removal. $1200.00
In/out check in hand.

yea......damn thats something to consider. full repair work. thats clearly not bad at all, everything you mentioned. and those prices seem right too...although a few i thought were too cheap. nonetheless, theyre all good....if i can average what you listed, every 2 weeks, steady.....

hmmm.

great post btw.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 06-04-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren@Partners

...But to compare /contrast how much biz is off from 3-4 years ago: My revenues are down to 25% of '05. One of the big outfits is down 20%. Not to be braggin', but I'm holdin' onto more (of less)

yea. not to brag, by no means.......but moreso to give u an idea...

that big production builder i work for, in steady, good years i can depend on easily $2.5 - 3 mil/year in revenues, EASY, that account alone.

these last two years........BARELY 800k last year, and this year looks like only 4-500k..........you believe that???

joepro0000 · 06-05-2009, 07:38 PM

I got 2 tenent buildouts, 9000 sq ft average, my partner handling a bunch of patch-work/painting whos booked for 3 weeks, and another buildout coming right after the current one. 280 sheets in one, 180 in the other. Frame-Paint!

A+ Texture LLC · 06-05-2009, 09:23 PM

Yeah patches are a good thing these days. I haven't really got my hands on new constr. yet. I started in Doublewides and Mods. I had a large subdivision of mods for Cavco at a big coppermine. That job paid for my licensing, my texture sprayer, auto tools etc. They pulled the plug on that job in December. Since then I still get some work from the Manuf. dealers here in town, a couple patch jobs and a little remodeling. So I'm chompin at the bit to do some new homes. Thats why I really wanted things to work out with the builder I posted the "9, 10, 12 foot ceilings" thread about. At least I'm more or less debt free and bills are getting paid. I already have a reputation for quality so I'm sure I'll be good on the upswing. But pricing here is a pain. Theres such a broad range of bids that it still is takin a stab in the dark. People wanna haggle, I'm not a haggler, I charge x amount for a good job. If you wanna pay half that then enjoy the crappy job you get to stare at for months.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 06-05-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by A+ Texture LLC

Theres such a broad range of bids that it still is takin a stab in the dark. People wanna haggle, I'm not a haggler, I charge x amount for a good job. If you wanna pay half that then enjoy the crappy job you get to stare at for months.

indeed.

Stormy_Ny · 06-15-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren@Partners

With starts down across the board, I signed up with thecontractor411.com yesterday. Anyone hear of it? Being pretty leary of lead services, but needing to generate another revenue stream, I dropped the $99 "background check" fee. I spend that an a monthly ad anyway.

The scoop is that once signed up you get pre-priced work (200-600 per address) to make foreclosures ready to sell. Mosty paint touch-up and lock changes. Get paid by the bank every two weeks (supposedly, we'll see). Pretty much stuff I (or my touch-up man) can do solo. Also supposed to be a few HO leads mixed in. The best part (I thought) was that the $99 is the end of the paying. If anybody else has any input about thecontractor411.com would appreciate it, can still dispute the CC charge

Will post my results on another thread later.

BTW: Spoke to a couple of pretty successful, older guys yesterday about the "recovery" and whether this was a spike in between a double-dip. Both agreed that this is likely the beginning of the recovery and no double-dip will follow. I still have some reservations but respect both men's opinions very much -- so good news. Hope more to follow.

I hate to be the messenger of doom 'but....... This is just the beginning of it all. We aint seen nothing yet. So hang on , buckle up. Hang on to each and every dollar y9ou get like it will be your last job., because it might be.

In a week or so .....the schools will close and things may pick for some who play that game. Other wise gentlemen we are screwed.

I am taping new construction Commercial and Residential for a whopping 22 cents a sqft. for labor. I live Up State NY not in the city. I just did a house in NJ 35 Cents hang 35 cents Tape. I was the middle bid. I hung it with 1 man helping and taped it by myself.

**silverstilts** · 06-15-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormy_Ny

I hate to be the messenger of doom 'but....... This is just the beginning of it all. We aint seen nothing yet. So hang on , buckle up. Hang on to each and every dollar y9ou get like it will be your last job., because it might be.

In a week or so .....the schools will close and things may pick for some who play that game. Other wise gentlemen we are screwed.

I am taping new construction Commercial and Residential for a whopping 22 cents a sqft. for labor. I live Up State NY not in the city. I just did a house in NJ 35 Cents hang 35 cents Tape. I was the middle bid. I hung it with 1 man helping and taped it by myself.

What the hell is wrong with you guys still working for nothing ??? whats up can't you get it the longer you work for peanuts the less will be for us all..... hold out for a fair price that is the only way prices will go back up . FKK the hacks and low ballers.... let them work it will dry up for them soon enough... work is picking up a lot for me some more patience on your part and i am sure things will work out for you also providing that you are not a hack and cutthroat yourself....

Stormy_Ny · 06-15-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by silverstilts

What the hell is wrong with you guys still working for nothing ??? whats up can't you get it the longer you work for peanuts the less will be for us all..... hold out for a fair price that is the only way prices will go back up . FKK the hacks and low ballers.... let them work it will dry up for them soon enough... work is picking up a lot for me some more patience on your part and i am sure things will work out for you also providing that you are not a hack and cutthroat yourself....

I take it you haven't had the Mexican revolution up there ? it is what it is at the moment ... I had the inside track on this house. My cousin got 3 bids form BIG company's in the area ...... as I said .... he gave me the middle.

Hold out for what ? If I didnt take it for the price I would have been sitting home ..... I agree with you in principle but reality is reality.

Hopefully this building crash will send a lot of the competition back over the border.

Whitey97 · 06-15-2009, 11:30 PM

Amigo's are everywhere. That is, what it is. I believe we all have that problem

Custom Drywall Svc. · 06-16-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by silverstilts

What the hell is wrong with you guys still working for nothing ??? whats up can't you get it the longer you work for peanuts the less will be for us all..... hold out for a fair price that is the only way prices will go back up . FKK the hacks and low ballers.... let them work it will dry up for them soon enough... work is picking up a lot for me some more patience on your part and i am sure things will work out for you also providing that you are not a hack and cutthroat yourself....

Right.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 06-16-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitey97

Amigo's are everywhere. That is, what it is. I believe we all have that problem

Right again.

Custom Drywall Svc. · 06-16-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitey97

Amigo's are everywhere. That is, what it is. I believe we all have that problem

You know, let me elaborate why i agree with whitey....

Be that as it may, its not the BEST situation obviously...as in 'amigos everywhere' (no offense to anyone)....

but, what i admire at least bout whitey...is that he's not bitchng about it....but accepting it.

because....well, hey "it is what it is."

I hate when people in our industry make comments suggesting that its wrong to use 'amigos' on your job.

well hey, 110% of the jobsites in my area, theres nothing but.........and of course all over the u.s.

I've said it in other posts before, and i'll say it again......

"what's wrong with hiring the cheapest, most skilled labor in your labor market?"

when was this wrong?

now, im not suggesting to anyone on here that they said otherwise, but again......i hate when ppl have to POINT out the fact of 'amigos' on a jobsite............'amigos' and 'construction' have become entirely synonomous with each other, and so what.

like it or not, you have to adapt. either do business somewhere else, or embrace it....period.

**silverstilts** · 06-16-2009, 07:27 AM

Ditto on that. what my point is exactly , who are the hacks and low ballers ? GC's know who they are hiring and when it comes to a job that needs TLC and top notch quality , then who is going to be hired ? I make it a constant priority to have and make a more than the average interest in those who I work for , to let them know it's important to me that they get the very best that they can .... Maybe we should all work on the GC's egos , and those that don't have those big egos well there are other ways to appeal to them .... It all starts with them , or should I say with us in how we deal with them. stilts aka the rock doctor

Stormy_Ny · 06-16-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by silverstilts

Ditto on that. what my point is exactly , who are the hacks and low ballers ? GC's know who they are hiring and when it comes to a job that needs TLC and top notch quality , then who is going to be hired ? I make it a constant priority to have and make a more than the average interest in those who I work for , to let them know it's important to me that they get the very best that they can .... Maybe we should all work on the GC's egos , and those that don't have those big egos well there are other ways to appeal to them .... It all starts with them , or should I say with us in how we deal with them. stilts aka the rock doctor

I have to dissagree here ..... GC could give a crap ....Low bid gets it, plain and simple.

As far as our Brother Mexicans go. Here in the Tri State area we are on our second and third generations of help from the south. So now there are Mexican COMPANIES out there SETTING PRICING !

There is no way we can compete with that.

Hey CDS I do not care who you hire as long as you pay them according to there skill sets.

**silverstilts** · 06-16-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormy_Ny

I have to dissagree here ..... GC could give a crap ....Low bid gets it, plain and simple.

As far as our Brother Mexicans go. Here in the Tri State area we are on our second and third generations of help from the south. So now there are Mexican COMPANIES out there SETTING PRICING !

There is no way we can compete with that.

Hey CDS I do not care who you hire as long as you pay them according to there skill sets.

disagree all you want , I know what works here and i tell you mexicans or hacks or low ballers call them what you want it is up to you to set the price , keep lowering your prices and you get what you deserve . don't haggle on price and don't negotiate that's what the GC wants plain and simple , they get what they pay for . sooner or later it all comes tumbling down and quality work will prevail with a price....

06-04-2009, 12:27 AM	#25
Darren@Partners Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 758	The patch and repair (and CL) work has definitely been nothing to sneeze at these days. Even hired (part-time) an old taper with skills to handle 'em. Just don't quite get enough to ever get him 40. Got another decent CL job today. Will actually turn into a repeat customer (flipper). Knows that drywall, while not beyond his skills, is better left to the pros. They had all the ceilings scraped and trim demo'd. Bunch of patches and angle repair, but my crew of three should still patch and prep in one day, spray and touch-up the next (1/2 day), and sand third day (1/2?). And going back in two weeks to do the basement finish. Other patch job this week ($350) turned into a total repaint $2800. But to compare /contrast how much biz is off from 3-4 years ago: My revenues are down to 25% of '05. One of the big outfits is down 20%. Not to be braggin', but I'm holdin' onto more (of less) __________________ www.partnersconstruction-drywall.com

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06-03-2009, 05:52 PM	#22
Whitey97 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Twin Cities Mn Posts: 910	Hell, I would almost prefer those small patch jobs, fast turn around. Decent money, Nothing too difficult. IN and OUT!

06-05-2009, 07:38 PM	#28
joepro0000 The Drywall King! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 327	I got 2 tenent buildouts, 9000 sq ft average, my partner handling a bunch of patch-work/painting whos booked for 3 weeks, and another buildout coming right after the current one. 280 sheets in one, 180 in the other. Frame-Paint!

06-05-2009, 09:23 PM	#29
A+ Texture LLC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 342	Yeah patches are a good thing these days. I haven't really got my hands on new constr. yet. I started in Doublewides and Mods. I had a large subdivision of mods for Cavco at a big coppermine. That job paid for my licensing, my texture sprayer, auto tools etc. They pulled the plug on that job in December. Since then I still get some work from the Manuf. dealers here in town, a couple patch jobs and a little remodeling. So I'm chompin at the bit to do some new homes. Thats why I really wanted things to work out with the builder I posted the "9, 10, 12 foot ceilings" thread about. At least I'm more or less debt free and bills are getting paid. I already have a reputation for quality so I'm sure I'll be good on the upswing. But pricing here is a pain. Theres such a broad range of bids that it still is takin a stab in the dark. People wanna haggle, I'm not a haggler, I charge x amount for a good job. If you wanna pay half that then enjoy the crappy job you get to stare at for months.

06-15-2009, 11:30 PM	#34
Whitey97 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Twin Cities Mn Posts: 910	Amigo's are everywhere. That is, what it is. I believe we all have that problem

06-16-2009, 07:27 AM	#38
silverstilts Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern MN Posts: 576	Ditto on that. what my point is exactly , who are the hacks and low ballers ? GC's know who they are hiring and when it comes to a job that needs TLC and top notch quality , then who is going to be hired ? I make it a constant priority to have and make a more than the average interest in those who I work for , to let them know it's important to me that they get the very best that they can .... Maybe we should all work on the GC's egos , and those that don't have those big egos well there are other ways to appeal to them .... It all starts with them , or should I say with us in how we deal with them. stilts aka the rock doctor