d-rock

i'll be signing with the union asap as well. mainly because if i'm bidding on gov. work, i have to pay prevailing wage. might as well sign up. also because i cannot compete on the non union residential ,homeowners market. It's full of illegals, and I REFUSE TO HIRE MEN FOR MINIMUM WAGE, AND PROSPER ON THEIR SWEAT.
Also, the union jobs are just way more professional. clean, safe and organized. There is no comparison. It's like playing in the majors.

Al Taper

I agree with what your saying.. But what I underline. It not even lose..Its still construction. As a worker you still treated like a whore. Hurry get it done. The more money the more headackes.
As a owner and you work you can call the shots. Thats what I like..If the job needs to get done you stay and get it done. Not go home a 3pm because the boss is paying no ot. But you look like a ass because the job didnt get done when your a worker..hate that...

LSDrywall

D rock well put!
If nobody hired illegal’s they wouldn't be here, the same goes for illegal hacks (no license no insurance). Maybe that’s how we could solve the healthcare problem no licensing required; let’s just let anybody call themselves a doctor. No insurance needed just a lab coat and an office, it seems to be ok in our trade why not others? Those of you that knowingly hire illegals, how is that working out for you now? Little work to be had and too many to do it. They are here and its your fault, plain and simple. That being said I have all the respect in the world for those here legally and that do legal work. I wish you the best.

LS

MEXICAN ROCK 4 U

LSDRYWALL resolved the problem , why blame it on others , if the real problem is between employers & government they are the ones who let all this happen . UNION GREED & NON~UNION GREED .

Darren@Partners

So the consumer who happliy purchased goods / services created with hack and illegal labor are blameless? Government and employers created this problem without any help from Wall Street banksters giving mortgages out like lollipops? Blame always lies with someone else.

You can't really blame government, if you voted them in or didn't vote at all. And if it's the employers, then should not have the govt. ( that you choose) stopped those practices? So really it lies on the consumer ( voter ). IMHO

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LSDrywall

Mexican Rock 4 U? In your post you put "USA the melting pot". You don't seem to be melting to well! I go by LS because my first name is Leif, I am very proud of my Norwegian heritage but first and foremost I am a citizen of the United States of America. The flag I am loyal to is the Stars and Stripes. you don't see me saying "Norwegian mud for you". When my relatives moved here they were not allowed to speak the language of the homeland outside the house, they wanted to become Americans; yes it was difficult for the elders but when in Rome.... They felt this greatly improved their chances to be successful.

Mexican Rock 4 U don't for a second think I agree with you I actually am insulted you tried to align yourself with me stating its always the employers or the govt’s fault. Those crossing any border illegally are to blame as well, those stealing the identity of others are guilty also. Those that purchase and sell false documents are guilty also. If you are not part of the solution you are the problem its not just Govt and employers.

Once again I will say I have no problem with any race or nationality, I'm Scandinavian, about as neutral as you can get, if your legal your cool, work hard live the dream if your not your stealing the dreams of others. To those speaking spanish by all means continue to do so and be proud of your heritage, but you will greatly increase your chances to be successful if you assimilate and learn English. Just some friendly advice.

LS

MEXICAN ROCK 4 U

So if bankers created the mess , illegals are to be blame who helped build/houses/hospitals/schools /office buildings ,etc. , etc.?

And for those legal mexicans (gringo wanna be ) that are abusing there own people (labor wages) , that is a disgrace to the mexican population

btw
if mexican women cross the border to have there babys born a U.S citizen its the border patrol's fault , there not doing their job . but i will rather have baby's born in the great USA instead of planes crashing by legal people entering USA.

sorry about my grammar/spelling , my accent is even worse ,even considering the fact that i have been here for 30 years . i have mainly concentrated on building america /not sitting in the desk writing and watching ***
and thanks for such a warm welcome

MEXICAN ROCK 4 U

as well , i am a us citizen , and i am proud of my mexican roots. My name "MEXICAN ROCK 4 U" is just to let u know that there are people here who are mexican reading the comments about illegals (and legal Mexicans as well) . and im sure your friendly advice isnt meant so friendly?

* the melting pot idea is a big lie. i think we need to crank up the stove a little more to achieve this suggestion.

i am not here to make friends , just trying to put my opinion out there .

LSDrywall

Once again I think you are missing the point... Yes some bankers and some on Wall Street are to blame with the burst of a bubble as happened. But that doesn't mean its one or the other or with your thinking if it’s not the bankers it’s the illegal’s fault, wrong it is the fault of both. If I rob a bank and get away with it does that make it ok and the fault of the security guard or the police? I have never heard of such backwards thinking. Illegals are just as much at fault as those who hire them. Ironically a solution doesn't take both parties all that has to be done is not to hire them.

How can you say....
And then say....

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i am not here to make friends, just trying to put my opinion out there

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You wonder why your comments rub me the wrong way? You're here legally, hey good for you, I wish you the best, as stated before I welcome all cultures and all people. I especially admire how your culture values family and your work ethic. What upsets me is how some from Mexico sell out thier fellow countrymen, or sell out fellow Americans by employing illegals! I only have one question for you. Have you ever paid an illegal to do work for you?

Leif

Darren@Partners

Am fourth generation German myself. Great great grandfather got paid .50 per day while co-workers got $1.00, until he learned English. Am also pretty much EOE, have had workers of many persuasions, white, black, Hispanic, Native American, men and women. Just tired of hearing how it's alll somebody else's fault.

So now it is Border Patrol's fault? Our people came through Ellis Island. They didn't hop off the liner and swim ashore to avoid the process. Wanna lay blame? Put it on the activist judge who declared Medicaid must pay on non-citizens, that we should give free education to a segment of the popluation paying no school / property taxes, and give away virtually every right reserved for citizens.

An apathetic, underinformed electorate has allowed this situation. I am as much too blame as anybody. Always had seen to it that all workers had opportunity to go vote and encouraged all to stay informed.

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BTW, am all for anybody coming here and living the American dream. As long as they do it same as the rest of us, by the book and on the tax rolls, in English.

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silverstilts

That's is good sound thinking and I could not agree more .. Most all of us are descendants but our ancestors had to work to get to where they paved the way for us ... As far as hiring any illegal Why does not the government step in and shut down any person / company involved in this practice ? Shut em down and seize all their assets so that they just don't have access to starting up again or at least it would make it more difficult for them .. Treat them like any other criminal take away their freedom . Just think seizing everything how much revenue that could bring maybe it could be handed out to each of us as payback to all the wasteful spending of out taxes eh ?

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rabb

[quote=MEXICAN ROCK 4 U;7744]union /non union /home owners vs Mexican workers:



i hate i am a taper now , to get a job for me now is like winning the lotto
#1 black #2 53 year's old

rockdaddy

Lets face it. At some level we are/were all immigrants. That being said, if history is any judge all it means right now to us is that the mexicans are at the bottom of the barrel. A hundred years ago it was the Irish and Italians and the Jews and the Pollocks. Every group of people has been there even children hence all of the labor laws that we have.
There was a time when the unions were critical and necesary for the working man. Unfortunately for the unions there are enough protections in our labor laws that they basically have outlived thier usefulness. While their primary mandate was to provide a living wage for thier membership with the promise of a retirement after 25 years was the american dream, the country then, just like today, was built on the back of the immigrant. Immigrants have always been vital to the success of the American economy. Immigrants are and always have been our dirty little secret. Truth be told if it were not for the immigrants right now construction wouldn't be moving at the pace it is. Next year when the Bush tax cuts expire and the lunatics spend and tax some more, you watch and see. All of us here will be on DRYWALLTALK.COM bitching about how the mexicans are the only ones working. UNIon or non union.
The unions are irrelavent.

MEXICAN ROCK 4 U

Are you the guy who preaches about americans trying to take your work away and that Mexicans won't just because they can't talk or communicate with GC ,& HO's (did those "legal" workers you had turn their backs on you? ) are you hiring back Caucasians .


In fact we want part of that profit too just like any drywall contractor out there ,($2.00~3.00sq.ft.)if i know how to do the work why let some one else get all the cabbage ,the color of my skin doesn't automatically make me ignorant. O.K. maybe some times i pretend not to speak English.

xoxo to the spelling cop

Darren@Partners

Sorry, I don't see where anybody is getting $2.00-3.00 per board foot. And pretending not to habla is another pet peeve among those who work alongside you.

You commented elsewhere that the forum had helped your English, practice makes perfect. And none of this is meant to be snide or sarcastic. One of the easiest, best things any immigrant can do to assimilate is to master the language. Too often, guys learn just enough to get by during the day and then go home and speak the native tongue.

As for doing the end around to steal another man's work, well regardless of color or heritage, the guy that does that is a poaching scum bag. Biting the hand that feeds you, so to speak. If I find a sub pulling this on me, guess what? I all of a sudden don't have any more work for that particular guy or crew. And be sure that I'll put a few calls out to like-minded contractors that so and so is a poacher. Soon his other avenues to find sub work dry up. Again, this applies to ALL subs, no matter where they are from.

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MEXICAN ROCK 4 U

You commented elsewhere that the forum had helped your English,

My grammar and computer /typing skill' never said my English if i did well i am a fast learner for such a short time in this site.

Are you the xenophobic / lawyer in this forum ?

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Darren@Partners

Pardon me, no offense meant. I see much improvement from your first post. Appears you are using spellcheck and/or a dictionary. As to being a xenophobe or lawyer, no. Just a conservative capitalist.

And I think we need to get this thread back on track or start a new one with a new subject.

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dkeese101@gmail.com

Unions are a form of organized crime. They do not help the workers only the Union BA's and Cheifs (BigCheezes). All they are interested in is their money.

dkeese101@gmail.com

I prefer Mexican workers to other races simply because they work harder. As a caucation myself, I feel I can say that we are lazy overall. If it weren't for our beloved friends from the south, our country would be a pathetic mess.