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Old 02-12-2010, 09:33 AM   #41
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it was the finishing end of it not the hanging, nothing too complicated perhaps 10 sticks of bead ( wrapped window one side, one side of a door wrap and a small soffit one run across from wall to wall and a couple of verticals. There were only perhaps 12 stand ups ceiling was dropped to 8' acoustical so we didn't have to mess with that. Like i said 4 days and still not done. So i had to finish up the angles and bead final coat which took less than half an hour and sand which took all of another half an hour with some cleanup. I feel he thought he would stretch it out and prolong the job. Had problems prior to this on some other jobs, sent him out to do a 150 sheet job which 60 of those were 8' board on the second floor with no ceilings took 2 weeks, then guess who had to go sand on the weekend to keep the customer happy? Me i was pissed. I should not have to go and work the weekends just to keep my guys working at least in this manner. I spend enough time on the weekends and evenings on the phone and looking at work for them to keep busy that should be what the normal is, but when i have to go out and physically work on the weekends that is it. That is why i have men working for me when it comes down to this i will just work and do it all by myself and pocket the money and live high off the hog. Myself when i was working as an employee years ago i always maintained get-ur done no messing around and move on to the next job. Can't stand a putz it drives me crazy sometimes i will just move in on them at what they are doing and start working not saying anything hoping they will get the point of what speed is all about. Of coarse some can't seem to figure that out and only slow up and let me do the work. Then it is hit the road jack and don't come back.
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Old 02-13-2010, 10:10 AM   #42
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A few years back, i was working for the rich and famous and had a few hands working. My lead taper i paid 30 an hr, this was6 6 yrs ago. Had his wife working as a laborer. for 15. Loan em money, pay em a week ahead if it was neede ect.. He acted like he was doing me a favor sometimes, all the while he,s broke ass. In the end he like every employee i,ve ever had became selfish, complacent and stabbed me in the back. Myself when i work for somebody else, i only charge when i have tools in my hand and make them look like geniuses to the GC,s. Their quality becomes #1 and they make lots of money off me, which is fine. I treat them how i want to be treated when the rolls are reversed By the way, i was on a big project withe that taper i was talking about and-------I got sick of everybodys gravytrain attitude and run em all off the job. Had to live at the project to keep on schedule all by myself, but i got er done and hung my hat on that situation resolution. GIDDYUP
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A few years back, i was working for the rich and famous and had a few hands working. My lead taper i paid 30 an hr, this was6 6 yrs ago. Had his wife working as a laborer. for 15. Loan em money, pay em a week ahead if it was neede ect.. He acted like he was doing me a favor sometimes, all the while he,s broke ass. In the end he like every employee i,ve ever had became selfish, complacent and stabbed me in the back. Myself when i work for somebody else, i only charge when i have tools in my hand and make them look like geniuses to the GC,s. Their quality becomes #1 and they make lots of money off me, which is fine. I treat them how i want to be treated when the rolls are reversed By the way, i was on a big project withe that taper i was talking about and-------I got sick of everybodys gravytrain attitude and run em all off the job. Had to live at the project to keep on schedule all by myself, but i got er done and hung my hat on that situation resolution. GIDDYUP
been there done that. isn't it something that you bend over backwards for your guys and stuff like this happens... I think most of my guys have had it way easier and less struggle than i have had because i would give them the shirt off my back. But NO MORE BEING MR NICE GUY. MY COMPANY and I WILL NOT GO BROKE FOR SOME UNGRATEFULL USER PERIOD... I may be willing to give the shirt off my back but just don't try to take it on your own.
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been there done that. isn't it something that you bend over backwards for your guys and stuff like this happens... I think most of my guys have had it way easier and less struggle than i have had because i would give them the shirt off my back. But NO MORE BEING MR NICE GUY. MY COMPANY and I WILL NOT GO BROKE FOR SOME UNGRATEFULL USER PERIOD... I may be willing to give the shirt off my back but just don't try to take it on your own.
I grew up with a father that had the same heart. I remember he gave a pick up truck (free) to a good worker that needed it and then later bought it back from him when the guy couldn't pay his bills.

Few understand what the employer goes through.

(.48 sq ft is insane. We made more than that in 1978.)

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Heard .56 supplied here just last week.....WTF?

I've heard all the rhetoric, but these guys are paying hangers .06 on 1/2 and .07 on 5/8! No matter how scarce work might be, I just cannot bring myself to put that on my hangers. Even at 2k per day on gravy....how could a guy support himself/family on that?

Tapers are getting about .09 on that work(ready to spray). I won't even do the math on that.
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Heard .56 supplied here just last week.....WTF?

I've heard all the rhetoric, but these guys are paying hangers .06 on 1/2 and .07 on 5/8! No matter how scarce work might be, I just cannot bring myself to put that on my hangers. Even at 2k per day on gravy....how could a guy support himself/family on that?

Tapers are getting about .09 on that work(ready to spray). I won't even do the math on that.
That is insane why work 4-5 jobs just to get paid for one? I would hold out and work one good paying job to doing that amount of volume for what ? not enough to even go to McDonald's. if everyone would stand their ground and not give in it would level the playing field, everyone would then make a decent living. I would not work myself into the grave on someone Else's stupidity and greed. People must understand general contractors included that the drywall industry is very demanding on the body along with a tremendous amount of skill involved. We are professionals not just some mud monkey with no brains.
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Believe me, I won't be taking work that cheap. And it's not just immigrants that are taking it. Agree that no one ought to bend to it. Still seeing some prevailing wage pirates too. Maybe the new OSHA and card check thugs will turn them in.
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Here in Ga, .45-.50 will get you track homes, This was a good market if you could do volume. .50-.60 you might land the builder that puts up 10 a year. .60-.75 custom, over .75 ultra high end. These prices include all Labor and Material. I know...Crazy. Prices should be .20 cents higher. I dont know how to price anymore. Its like shooting in the dark. To many working for beer money
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alot of good post here, sorry just not enough time to read everything,, Back when evferything was busy I had a builder who I did all his work, for about 5 years dump me ,, a crew came in from Texas,, CHEAP!!!!!!,, nailed everything off , quality terrible.. yet I am told I have to match there Price???? after 5 years of quality service? 46 cents for east Texas work is a GOOD Price!.
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insulate, board, tape & spray for 2 bucks or stay home.
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alot of good post here, sorry just not enough time to read everything,, Back when evferything was busy I had a builder who I did all his work, for about 5 years dump me ,, a crew came in from Texas,, CHEAP!!!!!!,, nailed everything off , quality terrible.. yet I am told I have to match there Price???? after 5 years of quality service? 46 cents for east Texas work is a GOOD Price!.
Yeah, a good price..not a GREAT price, but I stay busy. You tell them much more than that and they'll have a heart attack here. I DO charge extra for extra's. Raised ceilings, Bullnose, Knock-down, etc. costs more.

I'm like some of the guys above......it's like a crap shoot anymore with bids. I have gone to pretty much just figuring the job by sheets and giving them a turn key price. I don't break it down anymore. On their end at least. Seems to be more simple that way....Tell 'em it'll cost X amount of dollars. That way I can pad it some if needed. All jobs are different. But, hell, ya'll know that.

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this is like the post from the other day i did where i lost a contractor this week because someone gave him a turn key price of about 21 a sheet.. thats rock and hung finished and sand.. its insane
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hell same thing on insulation. i am doing a commercial job in a old wal mart. i called a insulation company to quote a price to insulate the demising wall. the wall is 180 ft long and 22 ft high. thats about 4000 sq ft of insulation. r 19 its a 6" wallt. they said 600 installed. thats crazy. my supplier was 700 just for the insulation. he said they pay there guys .04 sq foot to insulate. thats 1960 prices
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That's unreal at 21 a sheet even if its 4x8's
I'll stay home at that rate
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yea it is. and we had 2 increases on rock in the past 3 months. i was going to match them to keep him but id rather go broke sitting in my ac at home than going broke by working for free
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Yeah, supplying rock and all 21 a sheet would be crazy.....I forgot to say that I don't supply the rock. Sorry about the "turn key" thing.
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A drywall company from another market hit builders in Pittsburgh with .48 per sq. ft. I'm told by my supplier the work is really bad. I can only imagine the mess.
thinkin im in the wrong part of the country...been hangin 20 years,tight work,average 50-70 sheets per day and im begging f0r .07 per here just to hang .......anyone subbin that way?
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dyhangin, yeah i've heard prices are the lowest in the country in AZ. on the low end here in mn hangers are hanging board for .08.. taping i'm getting .12 - .16 for labor. but these days are numbered cuz the lowballers keep chopping everyone down.

although i have to think your cost of living in AZ is alot less so maybe .07 covers living costs? maybe not..
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that company in pittsburgh is actually from virginia. $23.50 a sheet labor and material even after these two increases. Construction Applicators is the name. They show up on your job run for the hills and wait for the call from your builder to come fix thier BS. these are the guys everyone should be mad at. They lowball the lowballers.
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Man I still dont understand why you guys are letting this crap continue , I mean I would fight for my livelyhood with violence if that is what it would take for change to start happening. I mean at least in jail you get 3 meals and living quarters, and more than likely you wouldn t do any time because no court would want to send you to jail for fighting for proper wages and a lively hood that helps the economy rather than further destroy it.

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