.48 per sq. ft. material & labor in Pittsburgh

d-rock

d-rock

.17-.18 ? that's not a day's pay.

d-rock

the low end in these parts is right about .80- 1.10

Quality1st

Thats $8.50 a sheet times 40 sheets is $340, thats a decent wage for hanging board day to day. On houses for the rich and powerful we paid 30 to 35 cents a board foot 10 yrs ago. That was with the most demanding hangin that could be imagined. With scribes and anything over 20ft, they were paid 45 an hr while hanging that. New York City has the most expensive rents in the country, your prices there have little reference to 95% of us buddy. I,m sure your rayes are dbl there and i,m positive you need them. GIDDYUP

d-rock

TAXES TOO

Buckeyeboy52

I just quoted against some idiots that are supplying the rock, hanging, taping, finishing, and knocking the ceiling and walls for 33 cents and foot.

The first thing that I was trained years ago was, "If I am going to be broke, I can stay home, be rested, and be broke!"

rockdaddy

everything we do is based footagewise on a 12' board for which I pay $5 to hang and $5 to finish. Been paying that for 15 years now. Guys here pay 3.50 and 3.50. Sadday when $5 gets the good guys.

rockdaddy

You can do labor and small materials for Ryan homes for 32 cents a foot here. 28 for some others.
Sucks huh?

joepro0000

Who is the builder thats saying this? Are these guys insured, do they have proper worker's comp. I need someone needs to call INS

lnidrywall

About two years ago a drywall company from Columbus OH came to Pittsburgh pricing work for production builders at .62 per sq.ft. I thought that was cheap.
Last year a drywall company from Northern Virginia came to Pittsburgh pricing production work at .48 per sq.ft. Both of these prices are material and labor, and both of these companies use illegal labor. They know it. The builders know it, and no one cares.

I have a legitimate drywall company. I pay compensation, liability, unemployment - all of the things the government expects a legitimate company to pay. We are working as cheap as we can work while maintaining quality, but we cannot compete with illegal wages. The builders know these cheap prices cannot allow a legitimate company to stay in business. The builders don't care and the government doesn't care. Corporate America wants cheap labor no matter what the cost. To them it is all about making money for their shareholders.

d-rock

I understand your gripe, but corporate america has nothing to do with it. It's Joe Shmo the builder..doesn't care how the subs operate as long as he saves a buck. doesn't care about quality on production jobs. The way i see it, we have two choices. Walk away from production work that is under the radar i.e. non union, or low profile, or push for legislation to protect proper business practices. I know a brickie who told me it's our own faults, We hire illegals for cheap labor, we teach them, then they cut our throats. Sooner or later the Sh** will hit the fan.

lnidrywall

These builders aren't joe shmoes, they are huge corps. When all the local drywall contractors stop working for the large production builders, and start depending on the custom builders to fill their schedules, the local guys start cutting each other's throats. Corporate America has everything to do with it.

taper71

So why dont you guys stop cutting eachothers throat and work together? Its amazing what happens when you build a website and post a few web address at all the suppliers. I'd bet in a few weeks you would get some hits a few months and you would have enough ppl together to go to your Government and say we have had enough !!! America used to be a great Country now it seems you guys would rather get raped by a few rich people and lots of complaining going on but nothing gets done and it s still getting worse hmm sad.

lnidrywall

hahahahahahahaha!

earljam

I think quality hangers should always get top dollar!

silverstilts

Along that line I do agree to a point they also need some speed to earn that top dollar if being paid hourly. Had to let one of my guys go last week not because of quality farthest from that the work was impeccable from neatness to quality but the issue of speed was a factor. Taking a job that should have had 8 hrs total time turned into 32 hours costing me some major money on wages and everything else that goes with the employee. I reminded him that there was plenty of other areas on the job we are working on that could have been worked on instead of just concentrating on just one small room. I also reminded him that there IS NOT A ENDLESS SUPPLY OF MONEY !!! I was a little pissed off. Try to get a job done and someone dragging there ass. I told the GC that I could use him for a couple more weeks and finish the job with my help or I could just do the rest of the work myself and still finish it in the same time frame and pocket the extra money I would have spent on labor. For all you out there that are employee's remember one thing money does not grow on trees most employers sure they want to make money, but they also in general want to keep their good employee's happy but there is never and endless supply of money. There is only so much paying out before enough is enough and when you start to lose your company money it's time for you to hit the road. I myself will not work just to pay someones wages, it should be the other way around you work for me and pay my wages after all I am the one with all the headaches , I am the one taking all the risks, I am the one going out and finding you work, I am the one paying insurance on you, I am the one buying all the materials for you, making sure you have enough work to feed your family and make sure you have a roof over your head , so why would you think otherwise?

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rebel20

I myself will not work just to pay someones wages, it should be the other way around you work for me and pay my wages after all I am the one with all the headaches , I am the one taking all the risks, I am the one going out and finding you work, I am the one paying insurance on you, I am the one buying all the materials for you, making sure you have enough work to feed your family and make sure you have a roof over your head , so why would you think otherwise?[/quote]

couldn't agree more

d-rock

silverstilts,
Why did he take so long in that room? was the framing messed up? was it an attic with crazy angles or something? When I was an employee, I got stuck in crazy situations myself, furring ceilings and walls as I went along to get it right. Usually I would give a heads up to the boss..

R.E. Plaster

we getting 1.25 to hang tape and paint for residential and 1.85 for commercial

silverstilts

It was the finishing end of it not the hanging, nothing too complicated perhaps 10 sticks of bead ( wrapped window one side, one side of a door wrap and a small soffit one run across from wall to wall and a couple of verticals. There were only perhaps 12 stand ups ceiling was dropped to 8' acoustical so we didn't have to mess with that. Like I said 4 days and still not done. So I had to finish up the angles and bead final coat which took less than half an hour and sand which took all of another half an hour with some cleanup. I feel he thought he would stretch it out and prolong the job. Had problems prior to this on some other jobs, sent him out to do a 150 sheet job which 60 of those were 8' board on the second floor with no ceilings took 2 weeks, then guess who had to go sand on the weekend to keep the customer happy? Me I was pissed. I should not have to go and work the weekends just to keep my guys working at least in this manner. I spend enough time on the weekends and evenings on the phone and looking at work for them to keep busy that should be what the normal is, but when I have to go out and physically work on the weekends that is it. that is why I have men working for me When it comes down to this I will just work and do it all by myself and pocket the money and live high off the hog. Myself when I was working as an employee years ago I always maintained Get-Ur Done No Messing Around and move on to the next job. Can't stand a putz it drives me crazy sometimes I will just move in on them at what they are doing and start working not saying anything hoping they will get the point of what speed is all about. Of coarse some can't seem to figure that out and only slow up and let me do the work. Then it is hit the road jack and don't come back.

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