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Old 02-25-2010, 11:12 AM   #1
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Hello Everyone. My name is Tom Sass. On behalf of Saint-Gobain Technical Fabrics I want to introduce you to a new and revolutionary paperless drywall joint tape called FibaFuse. You can learn more about it at www.fibafuse.com. Also keep up to date on FibaFuse by following us on twitter at http://twitter.com/fibafuse. Looking forward to hearing about your drywall finishing stories (good and bad). Any questions please feel free to ask. Thanks!
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:34 PM   #3
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Hello Everyone. My name is Tom Sass. On behalf of Saint-Gobain Technical Fabrics I want to introduce you to a new and revolutionary paperless drywall joint tape called FibaFuse. You can learn more about it at www.fibafuse.com. Also keep up to date on FibaFuse by following us on twitter at http://twitter.com/fibafuse. Looking forward to hearing about your drywall finishing stories (good and bad). Any questions please feel free to ask. Thanks!
are u sending out any samples send me a couple of rolls and we can go from there
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if the stuff was self adhesive it would be everything that mesh is supposed to be.
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:03 AM   #5
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i would like to try this stuff out too
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Old 02-26-2010, 08:15 AM   #6
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I can send samples rolls. Send me in a private post your contact info and I will get them sent out right away.
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Old 02-26-2010, 08:16 AM   #7
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I can send samples rolls. Send me in a private post your contact info and I will get them sent out right away.

I sent you a PM for a sample - Thanks for the intro!
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I sent you a PM for a sample - Thanks for the intro!
Let me know when you receive the sample. I'd like to hear your feedback... good bad and ugly.
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:23 PM   #10
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if the stuff was self adhesive it would be everything that mesh is supposed to be.
its a good idea to put adhesive on it but then it wouldn't work to well in auto tools. maybe a future generation.
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Let me know when you receive the sample. I'd like to hear your feedback... good bad and ugly.


Will do, and I am looking forward to it. Will it handle being glazed after its rolled or is it too soft?
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:21 AM   #12
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Can you explain in more detail the glazing process?

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Will do, and I am looking forward to it. Will it handle being glazed after its rolled or is it too soft?
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Hi Tom,

I got my sample from you a couple weeks ago, still waiting to use it. When I do, I will take pictures and give you a review.

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The standard automatic tool (type of) glazer won't do it. A floating type (popular with the Canadians) which rides over the surface Floating glazer.JPG will work better. The loaded springs of the traditional glazer will drag the glass and break it when it's wet. 2nd coat after it's dry is probably okay if it lays flat enough. I also have samples of the tape but haven't taken it to mud yet. It a good product but using it through automatic tools will present problems with its current design.

With respect...St. Gobain is on the right track but not quite there yet. Still a hand applied product. They're close. You can get it through automatic tools but not effectively.

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if the stuff was self adhesive it would be everything that mesh is supposed to be.

This is their better option. They should add the adhesive first. After that, develop a non adhesive version with a 3/8 inch piece of perforated paper running down the center so the bazooka will advance it better and have 2 options for the contractor.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Old 03-05-2010, 01:42 AM   #15
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got my sample roll today thanks
from looking at it without using it looks like a great hand taping product
better than the mesh tape out there !
to only prob i see is how weak the center crease is

i was thinkin the same thing as rhardman when he said

develop a non adhesive version with a 3/8 inch piece of perforated paper running down the center so the bazooka will advance it better and have 2 options for the contractor.

i like this idea alot it would provide the best of bolth worlds
thay could also bring it out without the center crease for use on just the flats

i will add more when i try it out

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Old 03-05-2010, 09:03 AM   #16
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You bring up excellent points about FibaFuse being not as tough as paper especially when used in inside corners. The reality is its glass and glass is fragile. Myron Ferguson, during the shooting of the how-to video, ran into the same issues initially. He was able to get around them by doing a couple of things...

1.Compound should be thinned slightly more than for paper tape
2.Utilize corner tools (glazer) when working in corners instead of flat knife but apply less pressure

** By doing these things you can use less pressure when embedding tape and cleaning excess mud. Thinner mud will ooze through FibaFuse easier so you don’t need to squeeze it out like you would paper tape. It comes down to a change in technique... don't apply as much pressure with tools against tape. It works, give it a shot. Your shoulders and arms will thank you for it!!!

I do like your suggestion of putting a strip of paper down the center. Would tapers pay for upgrade? When I first developed the tape, most tapers said it’s a good product but if it costs more than paper then fuggedaboutit!!! So for the first generation we focused on price sensitivity.


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The standard automatic tool (type of) glazer won't do it. A floating type (popular with the Canadians) which rides over the surface Attachment 154 will work better. The loaded springs of the traditional glazer will drag the glass and break it when it's wet. 2nd coat after it's dry is probably okay if it lays flat enough. I also have samples of the tape but haven't taken it to mud yet. It a good product but using it through automatic tools will present problems with its current design.

With respect...St. Gobain is on the right track but not quite there yet. Still a hand applied product. They're close. You can get it through automatic tools but not effectively.

Originally Posted by fenez
if the stuff was self adhesive it would be everything that mesh is supposed to be.

This is their better option. They should add the adhesive first. After that, develop a non adhesive version with a 3/8 inch piece of perforated paper running down the center so the bazooka will advance it better and have 2 options for the contractor.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:22 AM   #17
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I understand why the center crease line can be perceived as weak. However once the tape is embedded in joint compound the center crease area is just as strong as the rest of the tape. So it doesn't affect crack resistance in flats. And remember first crack strength is 70% greater than paper tape and thats with the center crease line on a flat joint.

please try my suggestions from my earlier post today (Hello from FibaFuse Paperless Drywall Tape)... thin down mud and use less pressure on your tools.

looking forward to your feedback.

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got my sample roll today thanks
from looking at it without using it looks like a great hand taping product
better than the mesh tape out there !
to only prob i see is how weak the center crease is

i was thinkin the same thing as rhardman when he said

develop a non adhesive version with a 3/8 inch piece of perforated paper running down the center so the bazooka will advance it better and have 2 options for the contractor.

i like this idea alot it would provide the best of bolth worlds
thay could also bring it out without the center crease for use on just the flats

i will add more when i try it out
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hi
so i used some of the tape today works good and yes alot less pressure to put it on .
one thing that i dont like is when it is wet ,the fibers move around alot
i think if you added some kind of glue to it to keep the fibers stuck together it would be even better !
if the stores in alberta had it in stock i would buy it .
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Did you run it by hand or thru any tools?
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ran it in some corners with a roller and a glazer
and on some flats by hand
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