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Old 11-03-2009, 09:32 PM   #41
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Why wouldn't he glue and put 3 screws per stud in the field? Isn't code 3 screws in the field? As for the glue, the inspector can't see the glue behind the sheets.

As for the bead, why wouldn't a 'self described "quality" contractor' use nails on a bead? What is wrong with nails on a bead? Furthermore, if nails are used, what spacing should be used?

Sounds like someone is just trying to pick a fight to me. IMHO
If your code is 3 per framing member, obviously that's what you do. If that is the case, then gluing is overkill. There is no such thing as a drywall inspection around here. I've been hanging for 38 years and never encountered a "drywall inspector". You need to read my post again, because I said no one uses nail on bead any more. If you think putting approximately 30 nails in an 8' stick of nail on bead is appropriate, then apparently you are related to Crock Daddy. So sad to think there are people who claim to be professionals would spew such drivel and try to defend it. If you need to ask what is wrong with nail on bead, you should consider finding a new vocation. But maybe it's true that ignorance is bliss.

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Old 11-03-2009, 11:18 PM   #42
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IRC or IBC (including Illinois). Per Table R702.3.5, GWB with adhesive still requires screws at maximum 16" o/c for ceilings and 24" o/c for walls so it's basically every truss and every stud. Cali and Florida have screw inspections, and for rated assemblies every 12" O.C.

As for nailing on bead, I nail on my bead, not every 7" but I do nail, and I have yet to have a problem caused by it. I've seen guys staple it on as well as use nails, seems to vary on the amount of work, if it's just a few sticks, they nail, if there is alot then they break out the staple gun.

And what, in your opinion is wrong with nailing on bead?

As to answer your original question, No, I wouldn't pay more just because the hanging job was spectacular, you would get paid your agreed upon rate.

However if my options were to:
a: Hire jimbob for $25 and his previous work looked a little rough
or,
b:Hire billybob for $30 and his previous work looked awesome

I would shell out the extra coin and hire billybob.
Why, because it should make my job easier and better. So in the long run I should make more money.

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I still use metal corner bead here and there. It has it's place as does mesh tape. Keep this in mind, I would never use tape on bead in my own house, unless I had an insane amount of angles. I like the overall look of metal bead. I think your statement there was a little harsh.
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I personally prefer to use a product like Ultra-flex 450 or 350 as my bead, but there are occasions were the H.O. wants a metal bead. And then I nail it.
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LACKEY? Sorry Bub I'm not your lackey nor anyone else's. The fact that you get away with raterape says NIL about your actual knowledge of quality. Quite the contrary. Its tells drywallers youre what is known in our circle as a Truckass. You know all about cutting a sorry excuse for a check. Period. And furthermore what the **** are you doing on a drywallers forum? Go back to Contractor Talk and stick to the HOmo threads. Us rockers know your kind and the nicest thing we of the 'nasty attitudes' would do for you is grin in your face and let you leave the job on 2 good legs. Thats the NICEST thing. I would,and have, switched off to other trades or labored on concrete and paving crews rather than give my skills,and my mens skills, to a chump like you for the peanuts offered. Low pay is low pay....you can lean on a shovel and get that. The calls always started coming back in and I ignored them until the right number was offered for our services. I don't haggle,I don't demand,I don't scream and argue I simply let it be known in the trade circles that a GC,builder or developer is less than desirable to do business with and watch the subs wrap up the last job for the shiester. Soon the self adoring know it all is left with no one to do his work. THATS how we real workers roll beyotch. Go ahead and insult me 'daddy' I start my day with a hot cup of coffee and a smile for those who call me Dikkhead. Hangers see it all...the shoddy plumbing,spaghetti bomb wiring,sub-standard framing,the short cuts and spite shots ALL the workers give you because you pay like an alleywalking pimp...we see it and decide whether to make it public or not depending on how you treat workers. Don't look too close at your empire because the devil is in the details.
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I looked at Crockdaddy's bio, and he says he is an installer. I have heard us called many things, but an installer? I am assuming he is a hanger/rocker/boarder and if he is I am richer than Bill Gates. Since we haven't heard from The Great Installer recently, maybe he sought psychological help and was admitted. I guess it's also possible if he is working that cheap, he's working 16 hour days and doesn't have time for our daily conference. I look at his situation and compare it to a call girl who says they make $1000 per hour, but see her standing on the street corner offering her services for $20. If he truly is paying his "help" these 1970's wages, he should never tell a soul. The only reason to tell the world about this is he is bragging about what a prick he is. In my opinion,he is King Of The Installer Whores. Crockdaddy, please return our forum to professionals.
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