Would you pay more for great hangers?

super rocker

If a hanger did every thing you requested, would you pay him more and how much? If he set all his fasteners properly,never missed a receptacle,switch,air return,pipes,etc.,routed doors and windows within 5/32",only butt joints when absolutely necessary,glued and screwed with minimal screws,respected all tradesman, didn't crap in the bathtub or piss in the drain, is this expected or pure folly? I'm sure I missed a few things on your checklist, but you know what I mean. Please tell me the other things that are important to you, and if you would pay more. Please give me a percentage if you would pay more, because we know everyone pays different prices for labor. Thank you.

alltex

i already pay more than i could, but i have found good hangers are more efficiant and therfore earn more $.

silverstilts

I guess you can pay some extra $$ for the hangers if it is an exceptional job or you can just pay yourself for the extra time to fix careless hanging by guys that don't really care . Last 300 plus sheets that my crew did they missed a total of 2 outlet boxes that they just inched themselves and there were maybe 5 screws in the total job that were not quite in .. Everything was hand cut no routering and yes it was done in a reasonably fast time 2 1/2 days three man crew .... the total cost was .185 per ft. well worth the money I would have even gone higher but that's what there invoice was for and that's what they got. I know there are many out there that this price per ft is high but I feel it is and should ( on the average perhaps even low )be a current price for today. This was residential .

rockdaddy

my hangers always get more than the tapers do. Best 50cent a sheet i spend every week.

Darren@Partners

I don't pay more for near perfect work. I just just pay much, much less for a crappy job and fire any crew that craps in tubs, wastes board, etc. My hangers are awesome and I pay them a little more than most. I just won't use guys who don't do great work. There is no excuse for them doing poor work.

Rockdaddy, what does your .05 cent board look like?

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Whitey97

I thought a good job was expected!

Does a carpenter get paid more if the walls are out of square? or a sparky if the power doesn't work? How about an HVAC guy not having that work? no... It's your job. Take some pride in it, or get out.

rebel20

Darren last I knew 50 cents a sheet is .50 and not .05 still the question was ok because thats $50 for 100 sheets not to mention is that for 8's, 10's or 12's In my opinion thats quite low. If 2 hangers hang that much in a day thats $25 each and I don't know many hangers that would hang for $25 a day. Except maybe south of the boarder.
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Darren@Partners

Gee whiz, just looked at that again. .50 works out to .01 per foot for 12's. That is shameful. Even if it was 8's, it'd still by under .015. That's less than what we pay the scrappers.......I think I'm gonna puke.

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silverstilts

I am thinking he pays an additional 50 cents per board or .01 per ft , at least that is the way i take it ... if he is only paying 50 cents per board , well lets just say I hope he isn't ..... And I agree that why should you pay more for a good job ? It should be expected anything less than a quality job should be deducted .... around here .18 is the average for residential . If you find a good crew stick with them and show some loyalty , that is why things things are in turmoil , cheap GC causing drywall contractors to nickel and dime their guys .... Stand firm with both feet planted and don't give in to the the cheap , greedy G.C. or perhaps one that is just buying their work with low pricing.

super rocker

I am guilty of ignorance again because I mistook the complaining in this forum about most hangers being amateurs to mean tapers were not happy. Obviously the hangers you refer to are always the other guys. I understand your defense of your guys for business reasons, but if your best hangers asked for more money because they deserved it, I guess they would be history. Because you expect a good job does not mean you will get one. I know quality hanging is not as important as you guys infer,or possibly you have never seen a great hanging job. I can tell you that 99.9% of hanging jobs I've seen are mediocre at best. And please,please,please don't tell me about hangers not using a router. Living in the Dark Ages of construction is proof it is not about quality. Your credibility is destroyed when you defend amateurism. If you hired these clowns knowing they hand cut every thing , apparently no one in your area is better? Wow, maybe the carpenters framed the house using only hand saws and hammers. Comments about their speed or lack of also indicates minimal concerns about quality. I never thought the response to this would so disappointing, but apparently my perception of quality and every one else's is opposite.

Stormy_Ny

Yeah I just love having to tape every box and light opening because of routing.

Super Rocker .... I think you may be a 1/4 click off .......

super rocker

If you are taping all these screwups, then you obviously have the poorest hangers on earth. Even allowing for exaggeration, an average hanger can't miss 10 in a house. If you believe cutting by hand is more accurate,then you are a full click off. Hopefully, there must be someone near you who knows something about hanging drywall, because no one is that naive to think like that. If you are a gambling man, I will buy your plane ticket,lodging and meals and bet you any thing you can afford,that on my next duplex I don't miss one outlet or light. Please post your phone number or e mail to make the arrangements. You certainly make my point that most of you tapers have never seen a great hanging job. Minimum wager of $5000.

silverstilts

I agree that it may seem that they may seem to be in the dark ages , but let me tell you something and you will never agree , my crew is not only fast but on the money. You can never say that they aren't unless you are on a job watching...I in turn can never say how good you are unless I was watching your work. My lead man ran a crew for years for a large drywall company , he is old fashioned yes but fast .... It takes a good crew that works together in perfect harmony to get done what they do.... no need to second guess what the other is up to because it all is natural to them.... again say what you want .... I have seen some of the best with routers still make a lot of repairs ... guaranteed my guys can hand cut out a box faster than you can router and it will not leave as big a cut around the box as the bit in your router. And I am not a gambling man ... I work hard for my money , nuff said.

super rocker

I respect your loyalty to your men and if you are happy with their methods,that's terrific. My point is still the same. You say you have seen some of the "best" and you still make repairs. If hangers are proficient routing,you will not be doing repairs. I reiterate that most of you have never seen a great rock job and apparently never will. If you haven't, you have nothing to compare it to. Concerning the speed, you can believe cutting by hand is faster, but trust me on this,if that was true the sombrero boys would be doing it. I hung drywall for 3 years before I used a router and it is almost impossible to allow for poor framing and not miss boxes. If you miss a box with a router it is because of carelessness or boredom. I'm not disparaging your men, I'm just saying there is a better way.

silverstilts

you are right there are always better and faster methods to anything that one does , I guess I don't really care how my rockers do there cutting as long as I don't have to do repairs behind them . Like I said they are well seasoned hangers that have been around for years , they are not some like some others that profane be able to do anything and everything ... I don't pay them by the hour so it again don't make a whole lot of difference how they cut the board ,they could use a butter knife for all I care as long as it is done right that is..

Custom Drywall Svc.

there ya go...

and whitey is right too, a good job is expected. I don't play that 'pay me more for a perfect hang job' bullsh-t. A real manager running things right shouldnt have to put up with that. It's unacceptable.

drywallnflorida

I don't think anybody can cut boxes out faster by hand than with a router, let alone more percise, the router leaves an 1/8 gab on all four sides between the rock and the box. If a hanger isn't routing them tight its cause they just don't care or have only used the router a few times.

super rocker

Again you have proven that your concept of quality is making more money. I have no problem with that , but you are confusing quality with greed, as usual. What you are saying is you value mediocrity if it helps the bottom line. I don't have any issues with your greed, but quit masquerading as a contractor who cares about doing the best job possible.By saying perfect hanging b.s., it again proves you are accepting less than an average hanging job. I am assuming by your idiotic generalizations that all your hangers are equally pathetic. What is unacceptable? Your logic or your feeble attempts to sound knowledgable? Counting money and quality are not quite the same thing. If you had the choice of paying one average hanger $25 per hour or paying a great hanger $30 per hour I know your answer. It proves what I've said, that quality is not that important and you wouldn't know a great hanging job if you saw one.

silverstilts

I guess you may think wrong , kinda like a doctor with a scalpel the word is Precision , and yes a utility blade does cut a whole lot less than 1/8 " but than again who cares to each his own whatever works use it to your advantage there is no wrong or right way if it works right ? I think most hangers don't know how to measure out a box that's why they use a router and even then they still end up over cutting , cutting off insulation on wires and what ever else gets tangled up in the bit. Whats the advantage of a router if the box is so full of wires sticking out you cant even use them without doing damage ? We can argue back and forth till the end of time but it's just one of those posts that everyone is right in our own minds ,there is no one correct way , as long as the job gets done and everyone goes home with a paycheck .

super rocker

Florida dude is correct. If used properly a router is 100% foolproof. Concerning the electrical wires, any hanger worth a crap uses a router with a depth adjustment so it is almost impossible to get tangled in wires.I still wish you could see what a hanging job looks like if all electric,doors,windows,air returns etc. are routed by a PROFFESIONAL hanger and you would abandon your guys today. I guess some things are not meant to be. But like you say, if you are happy,life is good. Too bad work isn't.