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Old 07-14-2009, 05:18 PM   #1
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Verdict on drywall adhesive vs. screws


Hey gang,
I've been wondering if it's more cost effective in the long run to glue instead of screw the field. ie cost of glue versus labour in finishing screws, and which results in more durable finish(ie. less screw pops, joint problems...).

I've had boarding subies in the past use adhesive and it seems to save finishing time but haven't sat down and done the math.

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What's standard practice in Calgary, Edmonton, and Van?

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Old 07-15-2009, 08:05 AM   #2
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Re: Verdict on drywall adhesive vs. screws


I don't care what the cost is, I will not hang a job without glue.

But let me add that my work is all smooth finish. If I were using texture, like a knock down, I would probably drop the glue and just screw off.
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Do you feel it's more expensive in the long run to not use it? How many screws do you put in the field on walls to hold it in place(every 24")

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Re: Verdict on drywall adhesive vs. screws


Only time we use glue is on a bad stud, or when affixing it to a mason wall ie stairway. I don't think we'll ever drop the screws and just glue, regardless if it's smooth or has texture.
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I've pondered this alternative as well many times, using glue...i.e. liquid nails, whatever

but like whitey said, ultimately it never happens......dont think ill ever have my guys drop the nails/screws.........i rarely run into nail pops, and when i do, 70% of the time its bad lumber......and a small 30% of the time, its our own fault....

nonetheless, i havnt analyzed the costs for awhile, but if i remember correctly, i think its more expensive to glue. the last job we did involving liquid nails, i think my guys used nearly one entire tube for just 1-2 sheets.......

also, i feel that if it WERE a better alternative, gluing.....that it would be of course widely accepted, and the question would never be brought up -- as far as i know, no one i know does this as standard procedure.

all in all, to me it just doesnt sit right to have the actual sheets glued directly to the lumber.
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exactly, keep in mind they're from Canada, they're not quite right up there! lol, j/k guys
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The reason I'm asking is we're running out of beaver tails to pound the nails in with.
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Re: Verdict on drywall adhesive vs. screws


We have screw requirements here, the field has to be screwed every 16".
We put 3 screws in the feild so like every 12".
We don't use glue too often, if we have a bad stud we shim it.
If we were to use glue I wouldn't, not screw it also because the glue is only as strong as the paper on the back of the board.
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Re: Verdict on drywall adhesive vs. screws


The job I am on now, the hangers are using glue ...... I love it. 3 screws for a whole board to finish.

Liquid Nails ? I bet that does cost alot .....
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Re: Verdict on drywall adhesive vs. screws


It takes us 2-3 cases of drywall adhesive per 10k of board. That puts the cost at .01 or a bit more. It's worth it to me. I think the glue, striped not dabbed helps to even out the slight variances in the studs. We then use a pair off screws every other stud and check for rattles adding screws if needed.
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I got my boarders to start glueing on our last job. They bitched alot! Mostly about remembering to do it, screwing it off immediately, and getting it all over themselves - they'll eventually pick it up. I've transferred the prefilling/repair responsibility from the tapers to them and any hope of a raise is partly based on how many imperfections they leave - so now they have an incentive to reduce screw heads, misses, and board damage. They're starting to see the light.

The cost is around $5 a tube... if you can squeeze 10 twelve footers at approx 50sqf each then yes it's .01$/sqf. Pretty sure there's more labor cost in coating 10 sheets of spots 3 times than 5$ -but we'll have to see about that one!


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I don't know how well glue holds up, but I know it would be easier to tear the drywall of with glue vs screws. I'm working on a job now, where theres a couple of loose sheets that where glued to a CMU wall years and years ago, and its falling apart now.
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I don't know how well glue holds up, but I know it would be easier to tear the drywall of with glue vs screws. I'm working on a job now, where theres a couple of loose sheets that where glued to a CMU wall years and years ago, and its falling apart now.
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I don't know how well glue holds up, but I know it would be easier to tear the drywall of with glue vs screws. I'm working on a job now, where theres a couple of loose sheets that where glued to a CMU wall years and years ago, and its falling apart now.
I think I gotta call BS on that one as well. Todays glues stick so strong it aint funny. Did some demolition work for one of the big drywall companies here a few years back. We were ripping board off the walls during a mall renovation and screwed boards certainly came off a lot easier than glued boards.
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Glue is the standard here. It costs about .15c per m2. Some things to consider though.
1: We dont have poly on the inside.
2: I have noticed with some of the pics that you blokes have posted that often there are no noggings in the wall frames, so I assume that the rock acts as bracing. (I may be wrong?) If that is the case screws are a must glue would not do.
3: The glue we use is an acrylic that is made for drywall.
4: I have pulled down sheets that were glued and I had to use a chisel and a grinder to remove it.
5: Our specs say to use daubs not lines.
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I'll have to agree with Gaz, to get the acrylic glue off timber you have to chisel the timber out from under it and quite often it doesn't just rip the paper off but takes a big chunk out of the inner board, fresh glue might be different but when it is well cured I reckon it would hold better than screws because it's holding a larger surface area....thats in NZ anyway, I think OZ has very similar products.
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I don't know how well glue holds up, but I know it would be easier to tear the drywall of with glue vs screws. I'm working on a job now, where theres a couple of loose sheets that where glued to a CMU wall years and years ago, and its falling apart now.
Could be a nasty breed of glue Joe, I reckon the board should have temp screws put in to hold it against the glue until it dries and then removed so there's no chance of scew pops later.
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Could be a nasty breed of glue Joe, I reckon the board should have temp screws put in to hold it against the glue until it dries and then removed so there's no chance of scew pops later.
Try cambering your boards bro.
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Try cambering your boards bro.
Sorry for sounding a bit fick... but what do you mean by "cambering" the boards, is that something to do with installation?
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