Rocked already

Al Taper

I get these calls all the time.. I need a finisher to finisher the drywall. I had my guys hang the rock to keep them busy. His guys are carpenter. And they always want a good price. But we all know what it looks like..
I think Iam going to not give a price and just say I will do it by the hour. And tell them it $XX per hr. plus mud and tape..
Do you think Iam being a prick?
I look at it like this, they will pay there poop hands carpenter to tape it if I dont do it..

d-rock

rockers are carpenters.

Al Taper

Yes I agree. Union the rockers are carpenters. I use guys to hang my rock that are rockers and thats all they do.. There is a big differents. They my guys hang 100 plus boards a day. Thats two guys.. Its hard to find two union guys to hang 100 boards a day..Likely to get 70 boards out of 2 guys on a union job.

drywall guy158

agree with you al taper 100%

dealing with one of those right now. i put a clause in my contract that before any finish work will begin i will reinspect the job sight and the price could change depending on the hanging.

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An example of carpenter finishing on a timber peg.

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Al Taper

I did a job over the summer. I had a union carpenter hang it for me. I was bugging the crap out of me for work.. So I gave him a job. It was like 58 board most of them where 12s and some 8s. We agreed on $12 a board. So it was $700 at the end to split him and his buddy.It was 2 day of work for them. He was fliping out because I got the screws from Home depot. He over cut the boxes and seems where miss placed.He left screws out and not set it right.Then at the end he tell me he did me a favor doing the job for $12 a board.
I couldnt tell him how to do it because he has been hang rock for 30 years.. Just because he has been doing it for 30 years dosent mean he has beening it right.

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Exactly! Almost identical to what I say. "Just because you have done it wrong for 30 years does not make it right." I know a guy up here who is nervy enough to charge $25.00 an hour for finishing when he can't find anything else to do. This guy didn't even know what a banjo was made his own contraption out of plywood and a tape holder. Thing was hilarious put the tape on backwards. He's been doing his crappy wrong thing for 20 years and he's busy. WTF

Al Taper

Not true. Here he is playing the banjo and hes not bad..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

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Too Funny. This guy would give Larry the Cable Guy a run for his money. He doesn't own a shirt with sleeves. GIT R DONE!

Al Taper

d-rock

certainly, some union guys cannot hang in houses. But the ones i know, self included, have done plenty of house hanging before we joined the union. 2 guys 100 boards everyday ? i think you may be stretching the truth a wee bit...

Al Taper

I dont know how it is in NYC.. I know two guys that are union carpenter from the city... They can throw up the rock. They are from the Islands..Thight and every screw is right.

D-rock.. U know there are guys out there that you have to hold there hands to do any work.. And its a shame..

Darren@Partners

If they hang their own board, I deduct only the $.xx per foot in labor + fasteners/glue I normally would pay (& cost of board). It'll cost that to rescrew the job and cut back all the wild o/s corners. They also get no warranty on our finish work. Cannot warranty our work atop a slop hang job. "please, sir, step awaaaay from the drywall..."

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If you have two guys that are getting paid by the board and not waiting for their 9 am break 1130 break 230 break then an hour putting crap away 100 a day is doable.

d-rock

Who do you work with that takes that many breaks ? That's ridiculous. Union men take 1 break in the A.M. for coffee (15 mins), and lunch (1/2 hr). THAT'S IT. Somebody's been takin advantage of you..
100 boards a day by two men (50 boards per man) is do-able in long straight runs, corridors in schools and hospitals or hotels.(MAYBE). not typical commercial and CERTAINLY not homes, I don't care how much you pay per board. And by the way, paying an employee (who is on your books) by the piece is wrong IMO. A sub on the other hand can be paid by the piece. Don't knock union men if you have no idea what is what. I've worked both ends, and I've seen greatness and crap in both areas.

d-rock

You got it Al. Most of the guys are excellent, but many suck. Just like non union.

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WOW!! You sure did A$$UME a whole lot. No one who works for me breaks like that. Every carpenter here in Maine (who I have been on jobs with) who thinks they can hang board (hourly) does. Who said anything about paying an employee piece work?! Get some of that dust out of your eyes. Clean house with no crap in the way ready for rock 2 guys 100 boards no problem. Hell...I'm 50 and I can hang ten sheets an hour with my old lady. No one knocked anybody! CHILL OUT!

d-rock

[QUOTE=FOR THOSE ABOUT;10963]WOW!! You sure did A$$UME a whole lot. No one who works for me breaks like that. Every carpenter here in Maine (who I have been on jobs with) who thinks they can hang board (hourly) does.

Is that so ? They all work like that , except you of course, you and your old lady hang 100 boards a day
You're the one that mentioned piece work, i just commented on that. By the way I wasn't ATTACKING you, but now that you mention it, i would bet $100 you can't put up 100 boards a day. Settle down.

Perhaps next time you can make your post a bit more articulate.

d-rock

By the way...10 sheets an hour is 80 brds a day..with 2 people that would be 40 per man.

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I don't punch a clock.