Our america

rabb · 03-02-2010, 12:57 AM

my dad was a carpenter, so when i came out of high school. i went to work as a taper , thing's were good back in the 70's -90's ,now my kid's look at me like a bomb, because i am at home and not at work ,i got in to the union because it had my back , i ??? , so now i am 53 no job for 13mo now ,i still have 6year's left on my house , we make 38.00 dollar ahour here in chicago ,but can't get a job , some guy's are working for 5.00 dollar a sheet here,< no names> but they are !! i am

Drywall Tycoon · 03-03-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by d-rock

darren
the idea is tempting to me. the dark side of me wants to see hussein as some planted manchurian candidate. however, the logical side of me disagrees. i do believe whole heartedly, that he is an out and out communist, and radical progressive.

Drock,

That is reasonable. However Darrens info is interesting.

WGN aired a short segment last night . The IRS is offering up to 15 % commisison to parties that turn in suspected tax cheats.

It sounds a lot like what my relatives experienced back in the old DDR ( former East Germany) . Or this is a start to that communist style, keep an eye on your friends for the sake of big brother.

Tycoon

WhiteNorth · 03-04-2010, 12:04 AM

I try to not talk politics but sometimes you just got to. My Canadian leaders delivered the throne speech today and tomorrow the budget. They are proposing to change the words of the Canadian national anthem. Enough said on politics.

rebel20 · 03-04-2010, 03:48 AM

[quote=d-rock;10645] Most of these illegals work for (small) construction companies, restaurants and H.O.'s. Nothing to do with giant corporations. Perhaps there should be laws penalizing business owners and hO's that hire these people.

Do you believe this, illegals work for large comnpanies as well as small when they are used by a small contractor working for a large construction company do you think they ask if all thier workers are legal. Its time to wake up America. The first RFID implantation has been accomplished who is next. Maybe you are when you go to get your next shot or blood taken.

This post on different threa you still think large companies aren't doing it.
I also live in the town where the big drywall company got in trouble for hiring illegals, it was headline news.

miket · 03-19-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zootallures

President Lincoln was right on the money (literally) ! Give this a watch,be patient first few minutes are a speech on blank screen.After that you won't be able to look at TV,news,politics,ect.... the same way ever again.I am a pretty harsh critic but,the pieces all seem to fit and the proof is out there if one cares to research it.(as shown in "The Corporation")Seems we are in the final stages of the NWO.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you finish watching this and need more "proof" The Corporation is a must see also
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FA50FBC214A6CE87

I do not agree with everything in these documentaries but,the pieces all seem to fit.
Why else would a country "seem" to invite millions of illegal aliens past so called secured borders and hand them driver's license,health care,ect... when in other countries this happens:

Let me see if I got this right.....

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET:
1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 - MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

Did I get it right?

Zoot

Why would i bother crossing the border of any of those countries illegally when i can easily get in with a visa? With the probably exception of north korea. To get to cuba i would have to go to canada mexico dominican republic or other country first.

Quality1st · 03-19-2010, 04:35 PM

Miket, Quit huffing that laquer and pay attention. Read the post click on the Link, learn something and contribute.

Frankawitz · 03-19-2010, 06:35 PM

Why Team Obama thrives on creating crises

Posted: March 17, 2010
1:00 am Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

The Obama administration's primary mode of governance is literally to create crises where none actually exist. As I have explained previously, "Big Lies" transform people and entire societies, and the most powerful form of "Big Lie," at least when it comes to government, is the manufactured crisis.
Before we turn our 10,000-watt spotlight on the outrageous turmoil Obama and company have promoted in America, let's take a few moments to understand what a manufactured crisis really amounts to.
As I explain in my new book "How Evil Works," anyone even superficially familiar with the history of the political left has heard references to the strategy of creating crises as a means of transforming society. You've probably heard of the "Hegelian dialectic," a key Marxist technique whereby an idea ("We need more gun-control laws!") generates its opposite ("No, we don't need more gun laws, we just need tougher sentencing of criminals!") which leads to a reconciliation of opposites, or synthesis ("OK, we'll compromise by passing new gun-control laws, but watering them down somewhat").
Likewise, maybe you've heard of the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" – inspired by leftwing radical organizer Saul Alinsky, whose methods Barack Obama adopted – which openly advocates the creation of crises to destroy capitalist society. This is how socialist progress is achieved "peacefully" – through conflict or crisis – and always in the direction of greater socialism.
The problem is, this "crisis-creation" talk just sounds so crazy, so foreign to us, that it's hard to believe our fellow human beings, no matter how confused or deluded, could actually engage in such a practice. But it's not only true, it's actually a common part of everyday life.
Find out why Sean Hannity says of David Kupelian's latest blockbuster "How Evil Works": "This is a powerful book ... I couldn't put it down." Order your autographed copy today from WND's Superstore!
Consider this nonpolitical example and note how it illustrates the power of a crisis to mold people to the deceiver's will: in one child-abduction case, a little girl was approached after school by a man she didn't know. He claimed her house was burning down, that her parents were busy putting out the fire, and that he was a friend of the parents who had asked him to pick up their daughter and take her to them. The crisis – and the emotional upset the girl experienced over the thought of her house being on fire and her parents in danger – drowned out her normal caution about getting into a car with a stranger. You guessed it: the stranger was a predator who had concocted the lie for the sole purpose of upsetting and thereby tricking the girl into going with him so he could brutalize and murder her. (This "classic" child-predator technique was recounted in the film "Changeling" starring Angelina Jolie, a true story in which the serial child murderer enticed youngsters into his car using this exact "your-house-is-on-fire" ruse.)
Tragic as this scenario is, it makes an important point: a crisis throws us off our guard, upsets us and inclines us to make decisions and accept "solutions" we normally would reject.
Politically, the strategy is to create a crisis, or exploit a real one, by throwing people into a mode where they can be redirected toward a predetermined "solution" – whether it's imposing "carbon penalties" on businesses in response to fears of global warming or draconian gun-control laws in response to a rash of school shootings. We're talking about solutions that people would normally reject, but now in a crisis accept, and as a result establish a new baseline of what is normal – which becomes the starting point for pushing the nation still further leftward in response to the next "crisis."
Before we get into the current, specific crop of manufactured crises Team Obama is using to transform America, let's survey a few old chestnuts, just to demonstrate how ubiquitous fake crises are. They're everywhere around us:

Small towns and cities across America pull a certain stunt with depressing regularity around election time. They claim that if taxpayers don't vote in favor of a new tax levy, they'll be forced to eliminate or drastically cut back police and fire protection – two of the few services the people actually want from their government. I once lived in a town where the city council and city manager decided the way to force voters to approve their new tax levy would be to threaten to completely eliminate police protection within the city limits between midnight and 8 a.m. No joke. This was a crisis of their own creation and for their own obvious purposes. After all, the city council members and their budget committee could have reprioritized their budget to cut back on street sweeping, park maintenance, library hours, raises and benefits for city employees, or other things less crucial to the public safety and welfare, and gotten by on the existing tax base without leaving the citizens vulnerable to criminals every night. As I said, this is a common tactic in cities and towns up and down the turnpike. (Column continues below)
The radical environmental movement's primary modus operandi – from top to bottom – is the creation of crises where none exist. The "spotted owl" crisis in my home state of Oregon is a great example. Environmentalists claimed the northern spotted owl was dying out because of commercial logging of old-growth forests where the birds nested. So in 1991 a compliant judge halted logging in Oregon's national forests, causing the loss of about 30,000 jobs, an 80 percent reduction in timber harvesting, a consequent decrease in the supply of lumber and sky-high prices. I remember – I was there. However, it wasn't owls that environmentalists were in love with; they were in love with stopping loggers from harvesting any trees in Oregon's old-growth forests. The owls just provided the needed "crisis." Oh, here's the rest of the story. Long after Oregon's timber-based economy was decimated by the court-ordered logging ban, the northern-spotted-owl population inexplicably continued to decline. Surprise! New research showed logging in old-growth forests wasn't the problem at all. The real problem, it turned out, was competition from another larger and more aggressive species of owl that liked the same habitat and food as the spotted owl.
The truth is, ever since "socialism" lost its luster as the salvation of mankind (because it has never actually worked as promised anywhere), the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]environmental [COLOR=blue !important]movement[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] has become one of the most powerful, modern battering rams of the left for advancing the same socialist agenda.
Another legacy of phony environmental crises is our fear of nuclear power. In truth, nuclear energy is clean, homegrown and abundant, and its safety record is extremely good. Many other nations – including France, Russia and Japan – have long taken advantage of this amazing power source. But irrational fear, in response to an environmentalist-created "crisis" mentality, has gripped the American consciousness for decades and contributed greatly to our dangerous national dependence on foreign energy sources.
The "Fairness Doctrine" is a freedom-destroying solution to a crisis that doesn't exist. With the exception of talk radio and certain online and cable [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]TV [COLOR=blue !important]news[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] offerings, virtually the entire news-media establishment is overwhelmingly left-of-center. Yet some congressmen and senators claim there's an unfair conservative bias in the media (talk radio) that demands "balance" by legally forcing radio stations to provide air time to "opposing views" – that is, to the left-leaning views that utterly dominate the rest of the information media.
Charges of rampant anti-Muslim bigotry and hate-crimes in the U.S., leveled by groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the ACLU, constitute a totally fake crisis. Actually, Americans have demonstrated extraordinary restraint and magnanimity toward Muslims since the September 11 terror attacks and the subsequent revelations of widespread Islamist antipathy toward America. In fact, according to the FBI's own statistics, in the five years following 9/11, anti-Islamic hate crimes in the U.S. decreased by 68 percent!

We could go on and on – fake crises are everywhere. As I said, crisis is the central operating principle of the Obama presidency, which is always telling us, in effect, "your house is on fire, so come with me." Everything is a crisis, an emergency, and has to be fixed right now – all for the purpose of vastly increasing government power and control over citizens' wealth, behavior, their very lives.

miket · 03-20-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Quality1st

Miket, Quit huffing that laquer and pay attention. Read the post click on the Link, learn something and contribute.

I dont worry so much about how we treat illegal border crossers so much as the fact that we let so many of them get across our borders illegally in the first place. That is the real problem that needs to be solved. Many of those countries you listed do a better job of protecting their borders.

miket · 03-20-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Quality1st

Lincoln wrote in 1864: I see a crisis in the near future, that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations in high places will follow, and the moneypower of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed. Another quote : The great issue of our time is not taxes, a balanced budget, social security, or medicare. These are all elaborate red herrings.The great issue that confronts us is this: Is America to be ruled by all of us and for all of us_ or has the american government become a government of, by, and for, a relative few. Just thought i would share these. The powers that be know how complacent we are, and how powerless we feel. They numb us with their bull****, and just flat wear us out with their rules, taxes and lies. Worse thing is they make us fund our own subjegation and their mistakes. If we the people don,t get to the streets in every town and city in this country, then it is over and they know it. What say you All?

Abraham Lincoln was right, they did just that. I hope were never stupid enough to repeat the gilded age.

**Darren@Partners** · 03-21-2010, 10:25 AM

Last week on Bret Baier's interview, Barry said "I don't concern myself with the rules of the House and Senate..."

Doesn't that just about say it all? The rule of law does not apply to him. He does not care what you or I have to say. Coercion, bribery, politics as usual. And now an additional 3.9% tax on your interest/investment income in this HC bill. And Socialize student loans and give the North Dakota bank over to the Feds.

Folks, this is that "total transformation" he promised. Transformation into a complete Communist State, run by the Banksters and powers that be.

Go google "amero" and get back to me. However bad you think it is or could get, it is soooo much worse.

jmr · 03-22-2010, 10:09 AM

hey all, new here.. way to make my first post i usually post on contractor talk, anyway... politics and american business ethics irritate me to no end in their current state... i cant begin to wrap my mind around it and why things are the way they are so instead of looking at the bigger picture, which overwhelms me, i look at the smaller local picture..

from my perspective the illegal issue isn't going away.. just as it didn't over a hundred years ago with the influx of irish, italian, polish, russian immigrants. same thing happened then, people like us protested. they endured their 30 or so years of harrasment then assimilated. the illegals are going to continue crossing our boarders and continue working for cheap. that is until we start forcing them to work according to the same standards we do i.e. pay for work comp, insurance, license, pay rent/mortgage and taxes in our country. until then, we start bringing greedy business owners to task who hire these guys because afterall, they are the ones to blame..

Drywall Tycoon · 03-22-2010, 12:34 PM

Most European immigrants had to pay a broker and and enter through Ellis Island or another legal port of entry. Some first entered Canada and then slipped into the U.S.

My Ancestors came here for opportunity. They were rugged individualists.

The HC bill passed last night. Now worthless video game playing punks can stay on their parents coverage until 26. What is the incentive for them to get out and work.
Just let Ma and Pa foot the bills for 8 years longer and then let the Nanny State take over after that. What a shame.

And the cost of health insurance will surely go down.
Lies Lies and more Lies.

jmr · 03-22-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Drywall Tycoon

Most European immigrants had to pay a broker and and enter through Ellis Island or another legal port of entry. Some first entered Canada and then slipped into the U.S.

My Ancestors came here for opportunity. They were rugged individualists.

The HC bill passed last night. Now worthless video game playing punks can stay on their parents coverage until 26. What is the incentive for them to get out and work.
Just let Ma and Pa foot the bills for 8 years longer and then let the Nanny State take over after that. What a shame.

And the cost of health insurance will surely go down.
Lies Lies and more Lies.

as are the immigrants we have here hard working trying to make their way. well most of them. the only problem is they rather send their money back to where they came from instead of keeping it here. that's why we need to be more realistic and face the facts that these people are going no where. i dont think we allow more to come in in droves, i say put up the wall and keep the rest out and let them get naturalized the proper way (even though it will take them decades).. as i said, give them the incentive to stay here, live here and they will be forced to live by OUR standards thus raising the bar for wages.. cuz lets face it, these illegals with family sure as hell dont want to live 10 people to a 1 bedroom apartment cuz there table scrap wage only allows for that.. they'll want nice cars, nice amenteties and good money to support their famalies just like we do...

as far as health care goes i'm on the fence with it. your analogy is a little generalized because those whos parents let them sluff off with that lazy non ambitious lifestyle are just enablers and deserve it.. i know my parents sure as hell wouldn't allow that kind of lifestlye under their roof as they kicked me out at 18 lol..

i guess i feel like the health care may take the same route as welfare or other entitlements.. it means well, there are some who really need it and there are those who take advantage.. and those who take advantage are going to ruin it for those who need it. hardworking people like me, who have a mortgage and car payment and pay taxes cant afford a decent health care plan so i dont carry any. 3-4 years ago i could have afforded it no problem, but now i'm working to just keep my house.. its a catch 22 cuz i make too much to qualify for minnesota care, but i dont make enough to afford a private plan....

evolve991 · 03-22-2010, 03:00 PM

Illegals have taken the place of the slaves.Big money knew exactly what was going on all along and this is the result. Say what you will but I base my opinions on what I have lived...when Reagan,Bush and Bush were in office I could barely make it. The difference this time is that Bubba Jr fuct it up so bad its going to carry over thru the next 2 administrations AT THE LEAST. Whats so F-ing Free Trade about a country where CEOs can decide your fate?

**Darren@Partners** · 03-22-2010, 06:29 PM

We The People are the "slaves". SLaves to the Banksters. All this Healthcare crap was to keep us all glued to Fox news, whilst Timmy and the Goldman bunch stole 2 trillion of our money.

I don't even mind being out-voted so much as what went on this weekend. That was a total disregard for the Rule of Law. The Slaughter rule, reconciliation, executive orders, all the slimiest BS ever. It started waaaaay before Jr. The first undeclared war was what, Korea? A "police action", now "pre-emptive" strike?

If you disliked the HC bill, wait til you get a load(literally) of Cap and Trade. They already know they can't pass it, so they've give full power to the EPA to screw you on your light bill and at the pump, hell, they'll even charge farmers by the head for cow farts, allot your fuel useage, and already control a large number of your thermostats. Dang few left that recall the WWII ration books, but there will be a new ration system for energy.

Keep an eye on how the Bank of England sodomizes Iceland. BTW, the Fed will be ending their backing of mortgage backed securities in about a month or two. Any guesses what that will do? There is still a huge bubble in equities and commodities as that's the only place for them to play right now. Hide and Watch.

**Darren@Partners** · 03-22-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by miket

I dont worry so much about how we treat illegal border crossers so much as the fact that we let so many of them get across our borders illegally in the first place. That is the real problem that needs to be solved. Many of those countries you listed do a better job of protecting their borders.

Not fer nothin, but wouldn't that be a little like saying,"I don't worry about how they let murderers go free, I just wish he hadn't killed anybody to begin with"? Okay, not a great analogy. Really though, do we not actually reward them for committing a FELONY? So we shouldn't worry that we educate their children, reward them with food stamps and Section 8 housing, press 1 for English, and have given them FREE healthcare all along? the Amnesty bill that they pass next, That will add some 15-20 million LEGAL competitors to the job market. That will do wonders for wages, won't it?

d-rock · 03-22-2010, 09:56 PM

there is nothing left to say. it's all downhill from here. Next is amnesty, b/c he will need all the extra votes to get re-elected, and that. is the master plan.

jmr · 03-22-2010, 11:35 PM

[quote=d-rock;11303]there is nothing left to say. it's all downhill from here. Next is amnesty, b/c he will need all the extra votes to get re-elected, and that. is the master plan.[/quot}

in the words of wilco:

"come on children were acting like children, EVERY generation thinks its the end of the world. all you fat followers get fit fast, every generation thinks it's the last, thinks it's the end of the world"

d-rock · 03-23-2010, 08:31 AM

wilco sucks

Quality1st · 03-23-2010, 09:49 AM

Recently i have begun a search to find out how much of the things i,ve worried and wondered about for years are really true and to what extent. I have found that most all of it is really happening and its 10 times worse then i could have imagined. The conspiracy theories i have checked out so far, if brought into a court of peers not,politicians, and the like would be found to be true. I suggest we start a thread and start educating one another to the truths at hand. Forget party affiliations and theories, forget our differences and concentrate on facts and nothing but the facts. If i was prolific and we were all in the same building for a few hours, and i put in front of you the simple truths of what i,ve found, we wouldn,t be talking about anything political except what we could do to get our country back. There are a few people on this sit that are way ahead of me on this search, its time for all of us to stand up and lift the fog that numbs and seperates us. What Say You,

03-02-2010, 12:57 AM	#21
rabb View Profile rabb Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (46) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: TAPER Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Our america my dad was a carpenter, so when i came out of high school. i went to work as a taper , thing's were good back in the 70's -90's ,now my kid's look at me like a bomb, because i am at home and not at work ,i got in to the union because it had my back , i ??? , so now i am 53 no job for 13mo now ,i still have 6year's left on my house , we make 38.00 dollar ahour here in chicago ,but can't get a job , some guy's are working for 5.00 dollar a sheet here,< no names> but they are !! i am

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WhiteNorth View Profile WhiteNorth Junior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (7) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Junior Member Trade: Painting and Drywall Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Central Ontario Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Our america I try to not talk politics but sometimes you just got to. My Canadian leaders delivered the throne speech today and tomorrow the budget. They are proposing to change the words of the Canadian national anthem. Enough said on politics.

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rebel20 View Profile rebel20 Michigander at heart Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (449) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Michigander at heart Trade: Drywall contractor Germany, President EDP Inc. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 449 Thanks: 16 Thanked 100 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Our america [quote=d-rock;10645] Most of these illegals work for (small) construction companies, restaurants and H.O.'s. Nothing to do with giant corporations. Perhaps there should be laws penalizing business owners and hO's that hire these people. Do you believe this, illegals work for large comnpanies as well as small when they are used by a small contractor working for a large construction company do you think they ask if all thier workers are legal. Its time to wake up America. The first RFID implantation has been accomplished who is next. Maybe you are when you go to get your next shot or blood taken. This post on different threa you still think large companies aren't doing it. I also live in the town where the big drywall company got in trouble for hiring illegals, it was headline news. Last edited by rebel20; 03-04-2010 at 04:30 AM.

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Quality1st View Profile Quality1st Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (79) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: Drywall and Painting Contractor Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Our america Miket, Quit huffing that laquer and pay attention. Read the post click on the Link, learn something and contribute.

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Frankawitz View Profile Frankawitz Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (112) Photos (7) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: Plaster/Drywall/Painting Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Our america Why Team Obama thrives on creating crises Posted: March 17, 2010 1:00 am Eastern © 2010 WorldNetDaily The Obama administration's primary mode of governance is literally to create crises where none actually exist. As I have explained previously, "Big Lies" transform people and entire societies, and the most powerful form of "Big Lie," at least when it comes to government, is the manufactured crisis. Before we turn our 10,000-watt spotlight on the outrageous turmoil Obama and company have promoted in America, let's take a few moments to understand what a manufactured crisis really amounts to. As I explain in my new book "How Evil Works," anyone even superficially familiar with the history of the political left has heard references to the strategy of creating crises as a means of transforming society. You've probably heard of the "Hegelian dialectic," a key Marxist technique whereby an idea ("We need more gun-control laws!") generates its opposite ("No, we don't need more gun laws, we just need tougher sentencing of criminals!") which leads to a reconciliation of opposites, or synthesis ("OK, we'll compromise by passing new gun-control laws, but watering them down somewhat"). Likewise, maybe you've heard of the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" – inspired by leftwing radical organizer Saul Alinsky, whose methods Barack Obama adopted – which openly advocates the creation of crises to destroy capitalist society. This is how socialist progress is achieved "peacefully" – through conflict or crisis – and always in the direction of greater socialism. The problem is, this "crisis-creation" talk just sounds so crazy, so foreign to us, that it's hard to believe our fellow human beings, no matter how confused or deluded, could actually engage in such a practice. But it's not only true, it's actually a common part of everyday life. Find out why Sean Hannity says of David Kupelian's latest blockbuster "How Evil Works": "This is a powerful book ... I couldn't put it down." Order your autographed copy today from WND's Superstore! Consider this nonpolitical example and note how it illustrates the power of a crisis to mold people to the deceiver's will: in one child-abduction case, a little girl was approached after school by a man she didn't know. He claimed her house was burning down, that her parents were busy putting out the fire, and that he was a friend of the parents who had asked him to pick up their daughter and take her to them. The crisis – and the emotional upset the girl experienced over the thought of her house being on fire and her parents in danger – drowned out her normal caution about getting into a car with a stranger. You guessed it: the stranger was a predator who had concocted the lie for the sole purpose of upsetting and thereby tricking the girl into going with him so he could brutalize and murder her. (This "classic" child-predator technique was recounted in the film "Changeling" starring Angelina Jolie, a true story in which the serial child murderer enticed youngsters into his car using this exact "your-house-is-on-fire" ruse.) Tragic as this scenario is, it makes an important point: a crisis throws us off our guard, upsets us and inclines us to make decisions and accept "solutions" we normally would reject. Politically, the strategy is to create a crisis, or exploit a real one, by throwing people into a mode where they can be redirected toward a predetermined "solution" – whether it's imposing "carbon penalties" on businesses in response to fears of global warming or draconian gun-control laws in response to a rash of school shootings. We're talking about solutions that people would normally reject, but now in a crisis accept, and as a result establish a new baseline of what is normal – which becomes the starting point for pushing the nation still further leftward in response to the next "crisis." Before we get into the current, specific crop of manufactured crises Team Obama is using to transform America, let's survey a few old chestnuts, just to demonstrate how ubiquitous fake crises are. They're everywhere around us: Small towns and cities across America pull a certain stunt with depressing regularity around election time. They claim that if taxpayers don't vote in favor of a new tax levy, they'll be forced to eliminate or drastically cut back police and fire protection – two of the few services the people actually want from their government. I once lived in a town where the city council and city manager decided the way to force voters to approve their new tax levy would be to threaten to completely eliminate police protection within the city limits between midnight and 8 a.m. No joke. This was a crisis of their own creation and for their own obvious purposes. After all, the city council members and their budget committee could have reprioritized their budget to cut back on street sweeping, park maintenance, library hours, raises and benefits for city employees, or other things less crucial to the public safety and welfare, and gotten by on the existing tax base without leaving the citizens vulnerable to criminals every night. As I said, this is a common tactic in cities and towns up and down the turnpike. (Column continues below) The radical environmental movement's primary modus operandi – from top to bottom – is the creation of crises where none exist. The "spotted owl" crisis in my home state of Oregon is a great example. Environmentalists claimed the northern spotted owl was dying out because of commercial logging of old-growth forests where the birds nested. So in 1991 a compliant judge halted logging in Oregon's national forests, causing the loss of about 30,000 jobs, an 80 percent reduction in timber harvesting, a consequent decrease in the supply of lumber and sky-high prices. I remember – I was there. However, it wasn't owls that environmentalists were in love with; they were in love with stopping loggers from harvesting any trees in Oregon's old-growth forests. The owls just provided the needed "crisis." Oh, here's the rest of the story. Long after Oregon's timber-based economy was decimated by the court-ordered logging ban, the northern-spotted-owl population inexplicably continued to decline. Surprise! New research showed logging in old-growth forests wasn't the problem at all. The real problem, it turned out, was competition from another larger and more aggressive species of owl that liked the same habitat and food as the spotted owl. The truth is, ever since "socialism" lost its luster as the salvation of mankind (because it has never actually worked as promised anywhere), the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]environmental [COLOR=blue !important]movement[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] has become one of the most powerful, modern battering rams of the left for advancing the same socialist agenda. Another legacy of phony environmental crises is our fear of nuclear power. In truth, nuclear energy is clean, homegrown and abundant, and its safety record is extremely good. Many other nations – including France, Russia and Japan – have long taken advantage of this amazing power source. But irrational fear, in response to an environmentalist-created "crisis" mentality, has gripped the American consciousness for decades and contributed greatly to our dangerous national dependence on foreign energy sources. The "Fairness Doctrine" is a freedom-destroying solution to a crisis that doesn't exist. With the exception of talk radio and certain online and cable [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]TV [COLOR=blue !important]news[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] offerings, virtually the entire news-media establishment is overwhelmingly left-of-center. Yet some congressmen and senators claim there's an unfair conservative bias in the media (talk radio) that demands "balance" by legally forcing radio stations to provide air time to "opposing views" – that is, to the left-leaning views that utterly dominate the rest of the information media. Charges of rampant anti-Muslim bigotry and hate-crimes in the U.S., leveled by groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the ACLU, constitute a totally fake crisis. Actually, Americans have demonstrated extraordinary restraint and magnanimity toward Muslims since the September 11 terror attacks and the subsequent revelations of widespread Islamist antipathy toward America. In fact, according to the FBI's own statistics, in the five years following 9/11, anti-Islamic hate crimes in the U.S. decreased by 68 percent! We could go on and on – fake crises are everywhere. As I said, crisis is the central operating principle of the Obama presidency, which is always telling us, in effect, "your house is on fire, so come with me." Everything is a crisis, an emergency, and has to be fixed right now – all for the purpose of vastly increasing government power and control over citizens' wealth, behavior, their very lives.

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03-21-2010, 10:25 AM	#30
Darren@Partners View Profile Darren@Partners Super Moderator Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (904) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Super Moderator Trade: Drywall Contractor / Hanger Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 904 Thanks: 0 Thanked 35 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Our america Last week on Bret Baier's interview, Barry said "I don't concern myself with the rules of the House and Senate..." Doesn't that just about say it all? The rule of law does not apply to him. He does not care what you or I have to say. Coercion, bribery, politics as usual. And now an additional 3.9% tax on your interest/investment income in this HC bill. And Socialize student loans and give the North Dakota bank over to the Feds. Folks, this is that "total transformation" he promised. Transformation into a complete Communist State, run by the Banksters and powers that be. Go google "amero" and get back to me. However bad you think it is or could get, it is soooo much worse. __________________ www.partnersconstruction-drywall.com

03-22-2010, 10:09 AM	#31
jmr View Profile jmr Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (112) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: drywall contractor, taper/finisher. Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: mpls/stpaul, mn Posts: 112 Thanks: 6 Thanked 16 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Our america hey all, new here.. way to make my first post i usually post on contractor talk, anyway... politics and american business ethics irritate me to no end in their current state... i cant begin to wrap my mind around it and why things are the way they are so instead of looking at the bigger picture, which overwhelms me, i look at the smaller local picture.. from my perspective the illegal issue isn't going away.. just as it didn't over a hundred years ago with the influx of irish, italian, polish, russian immigrants. same thing happened then, people like us protested. they endured their 30 or so years of harrasment then assimilated. the illegals are going to continue crossing our boarders and continue working for cheap. that is until we start forcing them to work according to the same standards we do i.e. pay for work comp, insurance, license, pay rent/mortgage and taxes in our country. until then, we start bringing greedy business owners to task who hire these guys because afterall, they are the ones to blame..

03-22-2010, 12:34 PM	#32
Drywall Tycoon View Profile Drywall Tycoon Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (170) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: Contracting Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South West Michigan Posts: 170 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Our america Most European immigrants had to pay a broker and and enter through Ellis Island or another legal port of entry. Some first entered Canada and then slipped into the U.S. My Ancestors came here for opportunity. They were rugged individualists. The HC bill passed last night. Now worthless video game playing punks can stay on their parents coverage until 26. What is the incentive for them to get out and work. Just let Ma and Pa foot the bills for 8 years longer and then let the Nanny State take over after that. What a shame. And the cost of health insurance will surely go down. Lies Lies and more Lies.

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evolve991 View Profile evolve991 Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (254) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: Hanger Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: adrift Posts: 254 Thanks: 9 Thanked 42 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Our america Illegals have taken the place of the slaves.Big money knew exactly what was going on all along and this is the result. Say what you will but I base my opinions on what I have lived...when Reagan,Bush and Bush were in office I could barely make it. The difference this time is that Bubba Jr fuct it up so bad its going to carry over thru the next 2 administrations AT THE LEAST. Whats so F-ing Free Trade about a country where CEOs can decide your fate? __________________ Rockin' the suburbs since 9.9.1991 *Shue Drywall .....Marylands Modern Rock Alternative....*

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Darren@Partners View Profile Darren@Partners Super Moderator Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (904) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Super Moderator Trade: Drywall Contractor / Hanger Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: KCMO area Posts: 904 Thanks: 0 Thanked 35 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Our america We The People are the "slaves". SLaves to the Banksters. All this Healthcare crap was to keep us all glued to Fox news, whilst Timmy and the Goldman bunch stole 2 trillion of our money. I don't even mind being out-voted so much as what went on this weekend. That was a total disregard for the Rule of Law. The Slaughter rule, reconciliation, executive orders, all the slimiest BS ever. It started waaaaay before Jr. The first undeclared war was what, Korea? A "police action", now "pre-emptive" strike? If you disliked the HC bill, wait til you get a load(literally) of Cap and Trade. They already know they can't pass it, so they've give full power to the EPA to screw you on your light bill and at the pump, hell, they'll even charge farmers by the head for cow farts, allot your fuel useage, and already control a large number of your thermostats. Dang few left that recall the WWII ration books, but there will be a new ration system for energy. Keep an eye on how the Bank of England sodomizes Iceland. BTW, the Fed will be ending their backing of mortgage backed securities in about a month or two. Any guesses what that will do? There is still a huge bubble in equities and commodities as that's the only place for them to play right now. Hide and Watch. __________________ www.partnersconstruction-drywall.com

03-22-2010, 09:56 PM	#37
d-rock View Profile d-rock Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (334) Photos (9) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: drywall,framing, plaster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 334 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Our america there is nothing left to say. it's all downhill from here. Next is amnesty, b/c he will need all the extra votes to get re-elected, and that. is the master plan.

03-22-2010, 11:35 PM	#38
jmr View Profile jmr Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (112) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: drywall contractor, taper/finisher. Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: mpls/stpaul, mn Posts: 112 Thanks: 6 Thanked 16 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Our america [quote=d-rock;11303]there is nothing left to say. it's all downhill from here. Next is amnesty, b/c he will need all the extra votes to get re-elected, and that. is the master plan.[/quot} in the words of wilco: "come on children were acting like children, EVERY generation thinks its the end of the world. all you fat followers get fit fast, every generation thinks it's the last, thinks it's the end of the world"

03-23-2010, 08:31 AM	#39
d-rock View Profile d-rock Senior Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (334) Photos (9) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Senior Member Trade: drywall,framing, plaster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 334 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Our america wilco sucks

03-23-2010, 09:49 AM	#40
Quality1st View Profile Quality1st Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (79) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: Drywall and Painting Contractor Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Forks N.D. Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Our america Recently i have begun a search to find out how much of the things i,ve worried and wondered about for years are really true and to what extent. I have found that most all of it is really happening and its 10 times worse then i could have imagined. The conspiracy theories i have checked out so far, if brought into a court of peers not,politicians, and the like would be found to be true. I suggest we start a thread and start educating one another to the truths at hand. Forget party affiliations and theories, forget our differences and concentrate on facts and nothing but the facts. If i was prolific and we were all in the same building for a few hours, and i put in front of you the simple truths of what i,ve found, we wouldn,t be talking about anything political except what we could do to get our country back. There are a few people on this sit that are way ahead of me on this search, its time for all of us to stand up and lift the fog that numbs and seperates us. What Say You,

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