Advantages of DURABOND joint compound?

KingOfDrywall

In Regards to saving time
Let's take an average 400 sheet home.
On day 1: you can run all the angles with the tube, have your lessor skilled man mesh tape everything than run the flat box and bed coat all the seams and rub them down before you leave.
On Day 2: You can bed coat all the cornerbead,skim the angles, lightly sand (sanding is minimal since you polished them out the day before) than skim all the flats and butt joints with straght Plus 3.
On Day 3: Skim all the cornerbead---do your textures etc
Day 4....?? sand
...............On this same project many guys just Tape eveything on day 1, on day 2 bed coat, on day 3 skim, on day 4 texture, on day 5 sand. Durabond when applied at the right time on a project can save you 1 day per 400 sheets. If you do even at minimal 30 homes a year ,your savings really add up.
This is just my opinion. I've never had a single complaint issue so it works for me.
To each his own I guess.

Whitey97

an average 400 sheet home. holy $hit batman. Ohio must be loaded! Obama must have already sent his stimulus package there!

silverstilts

well if you must know i am both , what let u to that conclusion , as far as my brain works well lets just say so far its been good not leading me to far astray maybe a little opinionated at times ... speaking of ethnic backgrounds my first wife was of German & Russian decent holy crap what attitude she had , whew done with that!!!!

silverstilts

I was just thinking that with all the polish folks in NE minneapolis you would be a little sympathetic whitey

silverstilts

How many guys are you talking about any way on a 400 sheet house ? I with 2 helpers can do a 300 sheeter in 4 days thats texture the ceilings and sand on the fourth day . plus clean up everything...... what is the condition of the job when you are done as far as being clean?? just curious..... and mine is not taped with mesh or quick set..

Whitey97

We gotta get together so I can buy you a beer, how about that?

but last time I was anywhere in Mpls, I don't remember seeing any polish folk... just the guys with really dark tans! hahahah

Drywall Tycoon

Is that a level 1 finish? We tape everything with a tube using a.p. Box with a ten a.p. Second coat bead and box flats with topping. Skim flats down the centers, Three coat bead,butts and nails. Pole sand and painstakingly hand sand with a light. This takes a minimum of 5 long days 6 to be safe.

Everything is smooth here in the big cribs. The only places that texture are spec houses. ( which we no longer have, everyone is leaving Michigan)
or apartments. They have to go texture. You know who does all of them now.

Durabond for broken corners or deep bead.
No wonder I can't compete.

Timbrin Design

One overlooked benifit of the durabond setting type compounds is the ability to go over the wall and joint system with plaster veneer products. This cannot be said with the all-purpose mud products. USG specifically recommends durabond for joints when using Imperial Veneer plaster. There are a scant few products which can bridge the interface properly between wallboard and plaster at the joints, but Durabond is one of them.

Durabond-Don

I do everything as you do. The only difference, is I do everything by hand. I learned from my father years ago, before there was any fancy time saving methods. I do admit I wish I knew how to use tools, as I would do side work if I did.


I care about quality and time. Durabond and fast setting mud do have it's place and good reasons to use it, at times. But I feel to use it for every coat leaves too much chance of problems. Especially if the taper is inexperienced, or dont know what he is doing.

1-2 extra days to do a better job, pays off in the long run.

You describe your finishing perfectly. You are someone who cares about quality, as I do. Keep up the good work.

Frankawitz

Durabond has been my main product for 24 years now, I use this stuff to do base coat for Crown Moulding repairs, also use it for matching textures from the 1920's.


www.frankawitz.net

brian mulligan

Hi Drywall Solutions:

On the topic of Durabond I see very little value at all. To me the whole purpose of the first coat is to try to keep it as low as possible. The best way to do this is to use all purpose compound it shrinks and dries hard. What I've been doing if someone needs to get a job done quickly is use the Lafarge Rapid Coat for first coat and top it with all purpose as your second coat. The Lafarge Rapid Coat is basically prefixed durabond, it doesn't dry as quickly so if there are a number of corner beads it what help you out much. Your still sacrificing quality by not getting the shrinkage on the first coat as you would from all purpose. Hey I have a website, it's fairfieldcountydrywall.org, please anybody give me some honest feedback.

Brian

silverstilts

I have to agree and disagree .... I am not a fan of quick setting mud's only for repairs or very small projects and perhaps a big fill that may take days to dry with regular compound .... as far as the shrinkage part on first coat i disagree . It all depends on your wipe down quality . I myself like to see all the recess in the flats filled on wipe down without the humping of course , trying to leave it flat , the shrinkage is minimal with all purpose and makes your second coat much fuller and takes less time. By the time you do a third coat you should only have to skim out tight ( that is if the second coat is done right ) To me the perfect second coat is where you do not see the edges on the recess after it is dry... There is nothing worse than going to second coat and the first was wiped out with a six inch knife where an eight should have been used...

rockdaddy

Durabond 240 is ideal for the bed coat in all weather, which keeps the house on schedule plus it's an " upgraded product". Call it a green product if it sells. Drywall is the original green product.

Mudstar

Setting type durabond is not for drywall finishing. Its to hard and can't be sanded properly, it has no flexibility and does crack with movement. Besides this disadvantages the time savings you think you gained in drying time was lost with all the extra time mixing. Side by side methods to apply tape has really no advantages with this product, just disadvantages.

Drywall Tycoon

Thanks alot for the compliment. We don't get many in this business. By the way don. Bare minimum, get a corner box, head and a pump. They will pay for themselves quickly. You will enjoy the time savings.

Drywall Tycoon

I plastered the Meijer Majestic Theatre in Grand Rapids. The project manager was a recycled USG rep. He made us use durabond and paper tape for joints and angles. I did not believe it. But in the USG plaster manual it specifies that durabond and paper tape are required to warranty the system.

Must be the old Bass terds that taught me how to plaster did not know what they were doing when they used fibre tape and diamond base. Bottom line. Diamond finish does not work as well over durabond as it does over diamond base. But you can't get covered by USG without it. CYA

alltex

We call it hot mud and it can be your best friend or your worst nightmare. last winter i used glas tape and hot mud on a duplex with poor heat ,it worked fine all flat looked good.About a week later right when the cabenets were going in you guest it a about a 15 ft. crack on a lid flat in the kitchen dining room area .be sides that kind of crap its WONDERFULL.

icerock drywall

I only use durabond 90 on my tape coat...but I use mesh tape.it dont crack with mesh .than push the durabond into the mesh with a mudtube and flush with a 2.5 flusher in the corners.

jmr

I use it for nothing more then packing tub stalls and prefill... regular mud ffor finishing. We used to use it for setting and coating bead but its to finiky and inconsistant.

DSJOHN

It,s great in the renovation industry,a bath, dining room ceiling , or hallway and 2 rooms. Why not tape out and coat it all in the same day? Ive done this for years and never once had a problem, paper tape---NOT MESH[hate it] . Lately Ive done some small jobs like this with Fiba-fuse,,no feed back yet only 6 months worth. Not sure why anyone would tape a single ceiling reno out and go home[travel 4 different times?]We all do things different tho!! I,m talking tape and coat once and some times 2nd coat same day ,but we all know that usually pits on us--I have found tho skim tight wait about 15 min then coat over the skim and it works fine.