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Old 03-24-2013, 02:38 PM   #41
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plaster is still very popular in a few ares out here.Most all the custom homes have some in it. There are only a few outfits that do plaster so they get all the jobs, and they are expensive as hell. If I could get in the door with this product and snag some work from the overpriced plaster guys ( all mex crews zero white) and get my guys in there making money . Most plaster finishes also get a clear or wax over the top and the durability factor is the same as a conventionally done home that was textured.Plaster is nice , dont get me wrong, try patching over it Try painting over some of it Great stuff, not like it used to be. I feel the overpricing of plaster work is killing it off and opening the doors for a more cost effective approach. I think Fresco Harmony could be one
I think you should read into his post more closely, I think he is being a bit misleading

Veneer plaster, a lot of us would have a hard time making it smooth, but to have a bit of a variant or texture/design, we all could do it. But to use it, you half to weigh in the cost of the veneer drywall, veneer plaster, tint if wanted, and wax or maybe paint (which goes twice as far). Veneer plaster is very tough and strong, plus moister resistant.

Venetian plaster has to go over a level 4 (maybe 3) drywalled wall thats primed. He states it is around 40 bucks a gallon . You get a marble finish effect. It's strong and moister resistant also.

Then Nicky one side of trowel user compares his harmony packs of 2 for 40 bucks with shipping, to venetian plasters price of 40 bucks a gallon with limited coverage. He neglects to add in the cost of mud you need to mix his product with. He states one packet does 7 gallons, (why not make one packet do a standard 5 gallon bucket of mud),,,, so one pack does a bucket/box of mud, that is applied heavy to a level 3 or 4 wall finish (depending on a tapers skills). How far will a bucket of mud get you coating out a wall????

Then lets examine the picture of the bar he did. It's made of of drywall MUD !!!!!! How many have friends on here that use coasters for their beers, or don't spill their beers, so lets throw in the cost of some type of a sealant, since mud is not moister or mold resistant.

Only advantage to his system is,,,,, if someone nicks or dings the wall, the mud holds the same colour throughout it. And if a costumer likes a imperfect smooth finish,,, meaning a wall troweled or knifed out ,then sure we all know what that looks like.

You guys can buy into his system all you want, but if I wanted tinted mud, I would go to a paint store to do it, and it works

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Good points 2buck, but you must realize I already skim texture 90% of my work so Im basically adding maybe 1 or 2 simple steps to my system,, which in turn could lead to more ez money. The cost of plaster scares me FH not so much. I have mixed it and have done some samples. If I can get my lazy arse up I will be doing my fireplace wall feature in my own home. I will post some pics.
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Good points 2buck, but you must realize I already skim texture 90% of my work so Im basically adding maybe 1 or 2 simple steps to my system,, which in turn could lead to more ez money. The cost of plaster scares me FH not so much. I have mixed it and have done some samples. If I can get my lazy arse up I will be doing my fireplace wall feature in my own home. I will post some pics.
I know you do a lot of skip trowel too

So you could have a selling point to tint the mud, main point being, if someone nicks, dings or scratches the wall, the colour is all the way through the mud, compared to a painted surface
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last week i installed 240ft' 6" crown molding for some good people who run a bed and breakfest buisness.i mentioned the fh. finish to them,they were on board immediatly.i thought they just wanted a couple walls done that are affected by light,they really want roughly 1200 sq.ft. done.i'm thinking 5 boxs mud ,5 bottles tint.it was a easy sell.the room i did in my home with the sample nick had sent me ,came out really well,i'm looking forward to working with it again.
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Have you ever used the U.S.G green bucket topping? That stuff is 70% lime. Leaves a built proof surface.
I didn't realize that. It may work better. I've always just liked the accessibility and weight of the blue box. My favorite mud was beadx but I can't get it down here. I'll definitely try the green box. Honestly I just thought it was cheaper.
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Can always mix FH up with brown bag durabond...... will be harder than plaster
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I didn't realize that. It may work better. I've always just liked the accessibility and weight of the blue box. My favorite mud was beadx but I can't get it down here. I'll definitely try the green box. Honestly I just thought it was cheaper.
Yes, Read the ingredients on the green bucket The number one ingredient is limestone or lime. The buckets weigh 30 to 40 pounds more than the blue. You can also mop the topping in the green buckets Just like putty coat.
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Can always mix FH up with brown bag durabond...... will be harder than plaster
It works and I've done it ( more artistically) but for surface area, ease of use, and working time, I recommend all purpose. With quickset or durabond, you're right back to the elements that make plaster difficult. Being able to save product, or carry batches to the next job is huge. Not sure about the color consistency with that as well.
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Yes, Read the ingredients on the green bucket The number one ingredient is limestone or lime. The buckets weigh 30 to 40 pounds more than the blue. You can also mop the topping in the green buckets Just like putty coat.
This is a really great tip. It'll throw the color off a bit as its yellower but the harder nature would be worth it. Thank you!
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This is a really great tip. It'll throw the color off a bit as its yellower but the harder nature would be worth it. Thank you!
Yes it is yellower but when it dries it is pure snow white.
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moldings and fresco h on walls
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Looks very nice Mitch What color did you use if you dont mind me asking?
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the color was virginia brown.the client was really pleased with the results and so was i.i coated about 800sq.ft. ,all the same color.
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